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Old 06-14-2012, 06:27 PM   #61
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Bradshaw thinks NFL doesn’t truly care about former players

Posted by Mike Florio on June 14, 2012,



The ongoing debate regarding whether current or former NFL players would let their sons play football continues.

This time, the comments come from a high-profile Hall of Famer with one small caveat: He doesn’t have a son.

“If I had a son today . . . I would not let him play football,” Terry Bradshaw told Jay Leno on The Tonight Show (via SportsBusiness Daily).

Bradshaw, who said he suffered six serious concussions in which he was “knocked out,” added something less inherently hypothetical: ”There will be a time in the next decade where we will not see football as it is.” He explained that the contact sports will “slowly phase away,” while soccer (which involve plenty of contact between ball and head — causing plenty of concussions, especially for girls), baseball, and basketball will grow.

That said, Bradshaw said he knew what he signed up for, and that he’d “absolutely” do it again.

Bradshaw also suggested that any effort by the league to suddenly express concern for former players is fueled not by compassion but by litigation.

“I have to be careful here because I work for Fox and NFL Network,” Bradshaw said, “but I don’t think they care. They’re forced to care now because it’s politically correct to care. Lawsuits make you care. I think the P.R. makes you care. But personally, when I got out in 1983, do I think they cared about me? No. And you know what? I don’t expect them to. I don’t need them to worry about me. I take care of myself. But, do they care? They’re forced to care right now because, P.R.-wise, it’s not very favorable to them.”

The comments about the future of the game from Bradshaw, one of the top analysts on FOX, bookend words uttered earlier this year by FOX’s Troy Aikman, whose dire prediction about the future of the game seemed unduly pessimistic and flat-out confusing, given that he still makes millions per year via the popularity of the NFL.

Last year, Bradshaw revealed that he suffers from the consequences of concussions, explaining that he routinely re-entered games after having his “bell rung.”

“I’d take smelling salts and go right back out there,” Bradshaw wrote for FOXSports.com. “All of us did that. We didn’t know any better. You don’t know how many times I was in the huddle, asking my teammates to help me call a play.”

To date, neither Bradshaw nor Aikman (who suffered multiple concussions during his NFL career) have joined in the concussion lawsuits against the league. It’s hard not to wonder whether either or both of them eventually will; if their relationships with one of the league’s broadcast partners won’t stop them from saying things that could be problematic from a P.R. standpoint, why not pursue whatever legal rights they may believe they have?

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Old 06-15-2012, 01:05 AM   #62
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I don't believe his point that "soccer" will eventually become a big time sport here. There's an extremely, extremely small niche for it (no matter how many grade school kids play...), but thats it. The honest truth is that American's just don't care for Soccer and thats just the way it is.

As for football changing away from a contact sport......i hate to say it.....but i agree with him. I don't think you'll recognize this sport 25 years from now.
I believe in our lifetime, we will see at least the QB, not allowed to be touched/contacted. No question we will see that happen.
And likely, we will see the sport fade to what may be some type of "two-hand-touch" football of some sort or flags, or something. To think otherwise, you are in complete denial. It's coming.
I've even heard talk of no more offensive and defensive lines. Who knows? That kind of stuff...i agree with Terry on....there will be BIG changes to the game, unfortunately.

And don't laugh "hockey". You'll be the next sport impacted with this stuff.
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we will see the sport fade to what may be some type of "two-hand-touch" football of some sort or flags, or something.
yet, when that day comes, the League & it's TV-partners will still show video clips of a snarling Ray Nitschke clothes-lining a ball-carrier, and Ronnie Lott, launching himself like a missle into a receiver in an attempt to 'sell' the game

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And don't laugh "hockey". You'll be the next sport impacted with this stuff.
hockey may have an easier time ridding itself of needless head-injuries, because the object of the game isn't to hit a player hard-enough to drop him to the ground (if the drunken Canucks who run the NHL just enforce existing rules, with stiff penalties)
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yet, when that day comes, the League & it's TV-partners will still show video clips of a snarling Ray Nitschke clothes-lining a ball-carrier, and Ronnie Lott, launching himself like a missle into a receiver in an attempt to 'sell' the game


hockey may have an easier time ridding itself of needless head-injuries, because the object of the game isn't to hit a player hard-enough to drop him to the ground (if the drunken Canucks who run the NHL just enforce existing rules, with stiff penalties)

the die-hards may not like this, but the first thing hockey needs to do is ban fighting.

I've never understood this one.....you can't walk down the street and fight..or do it in the stands...or outside...or at home...or, well, anywhere. It's assault and battery and you'd be arrested in 2 seconds flat. So why is it allowed on the ice??? Mindboggling.
That will be the first thing they'll do....we'll see that happen in the next couple of years.
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As for football changing away from a contact sport......i hate to say it.....but i agree with him. I don't think you'll recognize this sport 25 years from now.
I believe in our lifetime, we will see at least the QB, not allowed to be touched/contacted. No question we will see that happen.
And likely, we will see the sport fade to what may be some type of "two-hand-touch" football of some sort or flags, or something. To think otherwise, you are in complete denial. It's coming.
I've even heard talk of no more offensive and defensive lines. Who knows? That kind of stuff...i agree with Terry on....there will be BIG changes to the game, unfortunately.
It is changing even since this thread was started

Pop Warner Weighing Research and Risks in Concussion Prevention Efforts
On Wednesday, in an attempt to limit head injuries to young players, Pop Warner issued new rules that put restrictions on the amount of contact players can have in practice.

Jon Butler, the executive director of Pop Warner, said that research would continue to drive the organization’s rules changes as it tries to limit concussions. Researchers in the field liken Pop Warner — which has more than 285,000 children ages 5 to 15 in its leagues — to pioneers.

“The N.F.L.’s bore the brunt of this in terms of P.R., but how do we know that it’s not the adolescent exposure?” Bailes said. “How do we know it’s not the youth exposure? How do we know it’s not the college exposure?” ....

Butler, Pop Warner’s executive director, estimated that if the country’s largest youth football organization were to outlaw all contact and go to a flag-football approach, about 90 to 95 percent of the players would leave and find tackle football elsewhere
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/15/sp...tml?ref=sports

I could see pre-high school football becoming a non-tackle equivalent of "tee-ball" baseball, as this pediatric sports medicine specialist suggests

Dr. Matt Grady, a pediatric sports medicine specialist at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, said the new rules, while a good start, did not go far enough, and that the emphasis in football for players who have not yet reached high school should be on developing skill and technique, not learning how to tackle.

“Playing tackle football at 10 years old doesn’t translate to being a pro athlete,” he said. “I think the ability to catch and run and throw translates to being a pro athlete. Players should develop these skills, and then we can add in the collisions later.”

Because multiple concussions are more likely to cause permanent declines in cognitive function than one or two, Dr. Grady added, leagues should do more to prevent them at the lowest levels
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Of course the brain of a high school kid is also at risk, so who knows where you draw the line

FWIW, if Bradshaw and Aikman think football is such a dangerous sport that the youth of America should stay away from it, maybe they should quit cashing their checks as broadcasters that promote the glory of the NFL games which presumably encourage kids to play the game
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the die-hards may not like this, but the first thing hockey needs to do is ban fighting.
been a fan for 40+ years, and this is long over-due

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I've never understood this one.....you can't walk down the street and fight..or do it in the stands...or outside...or at home...or, well, anywhere. It's assault and battery and you'd be arrested in 2 seconds flat. So why is it allowed on the ice??? Mindboggling.
That will be the first thing they'll do....we'll see that happen in the next couple of years.
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Dawson's Hall call on court detour

July 12, 2012
By Dan Gigler / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

With his induction to the Pro Football Hall of Fame just a few weeks away, former Steelers center Dermontti Dawson is among the latest former NFL players to file suit against the league for head injuries sustained while playing professional football.

According to a suit filed July 3 in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Mississippi, Dawson and three other ex-Steelers -- running back Stephen Avery, wide receiver Jeff Graham and safety Jonathan Staggers -- are among 47 former players being represented by attorneys John D. Giddens and Phillip Thomas in Jackson, Miss.

The suit alleges that the league "was aware of the evidence and the risks associated with repetitive traumatic brain injuries and concussions for decades, but deliberately ignored and actively concealed the information from the Plaintiffs and all others who participated in organized football at all levels" and that the repeated injuries can lead to Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy, or CTE.

CTE is a degenerative brain disease associated with a history of concussions and head traumas. Researchers say it can lead to depression, erratic behaviors, memory loss and ultimately early onset dementia.

The suit cites the cases of Steelers Hall of Fame center Mike Webster and guard Terry Long -- both teammates of Dawson -- among several other NFL players who have been disabled or died by their own hand, with CTE as a culprit.

Webster died of heart failure in 2002 at the age of 50, after being mentally disabled from repeated head injuries, the suit said. Long committed suicide in '05 after battling depression which may have been brought on by CTE.

The suit does not specify injuries to Dawson nor any of the other players involved.

More than 2,600 former players and their spouses have filed suit against the NFL to date, including dozens who played all or part of their careers with the Steelers.

Dawson, 47, was a second-round draft pick of the Steelers in 1988 and he played his entire career in Pittsburgh. He started in five games at right guard as a rookie before taking over starting center duties from Webster in '89. At one point he played 170 consecutive games. A seven-time Pro Bowl and six-time first-team All-Pro selection, nagging hamstring injuries ultimately ended his career. He was released after the 2000 season and then retired.

He will be enshrined into the Hall Aug. 4 in Canton, Ohio.

Avery was with the Steelers from 1993-95, the final three seasons of his five-season NFL career.

Graham was a second-round draft for the Steelers in '91 and was with the team through the '93 season.

He played eight more seasons with the Chicago Bears, New York Jets, Philadelphia Eagles and San Diego Chargers.

Staggers was a fifth-round draft pick for the Steelers in '70 and played that season and the '71 season for the team before playing four more seasons with the Green Bay Packers and Detroit Lions.

The plaintiffs' attorneys could not be reached for comment, nor could a spokesperson for the NFL.

In response to previous lawsuits, NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy has said that "the NFL has long made player safety a priority and continues to do so. Any allegation that the NFL intentionally sought to mislead players has no merit.

"It stands in contrast to the league's actions to better protect players and advance the science and medical understanding of the management and treatment of concussions."

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Troy lies to team about concussions and doesn't consider getting his bell rung a concussion. There goes any argument that they players understand the risks. Troy just admitted how ignorant he is of the medicine. If he said he understood that each time was in fact a traumatic brain injury and that he is increasing the likelihood of permanent lifetime deficits when he lies to go back on the field, I would say he gets it and is hurting himself by choice, howerver stupidly. But he thinks it's no big deal and there he is simply wrong on the medical facts.

The rookie symposium and all league meeting should teach the truth about brain injuries.
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The CBA argument isn't a factual defense. If the Motion is correct on the 12(b)(6) grounds of simply failing to allege required elements in an Amended Complaint, that's the attorney's failure and doesn't speak to the merits. I' d be more interested in a SJ motion with attachments if you see one.
FYI is a link to the motion to dismiss the concussion lawsuits on the ground the claims for relief are preempted under the terms of the CBAs between the players and the league, together with a link to the amended master complaint

http://nflconcussionlitigation.com/w..._Complaint.pdf

http://nflconcussionlitigation.com/w...wnload-123.pdf
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