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Old 05-09-2012, 01:15 PM   #21
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The only benefit of Scott over Starks is 1. cost (Starks may want more $$) 2. age and injury (Scott is younger and less injury history) 3. Position Flexibile (Scott can play OT or Guard if needed).

I'm honestly good with Jon Scott backing up at RT. With Essex also signed, I think its between those 2 and Chris Scott to see who makes the team if they only keep 9 O linemen. Gilbert, Adams, Colon are locks to make the 53.

1 of those 3 is gone. If they keep 10, then all 3 probably make it.
sorry. nope. I'll grant the obvious cost factor; but the only thing worse than Scott at tackle, is Scott at guard--and I'll take Starks on one and a half legs (and a decade older) over Scott with two healthy ones.
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Old 05-09-2012, 01:57 PM   #22
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sorry. nope. I'll grant the obvious cost factor; but the only thing worse than Scott at tackle, is Scott at guard--and I'll take Starks on one and a half legs (and a decade older) over Scott with two healthy ones.
Fine, that is your opinion and I have mine. After watching technique on the 2 over the past several years, I would have to say that Scott has better pad level, knee bend and quickness than Starks to play guard.

Funny how the masses forget that Jon Scott played admirably in place of Starks when he left in 2010 with a neck injury, on the way to winning the AFC title.
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Fine, that is your opinion and I have mine. After watching technique on the 2 over the past several years, I would have to say that Scott has better pad level, knee bend and quickness than Starks to play guard.

Funny how the masses forget that Jon Scott played admirably in place of Starks when he left in 2010 with a neck injury, on the way to winning the AFC title.
Scott couldn't have played admirably or I wouldn't have been so upset last year week 1 when he was the starting LT. If Scott was a better player than Starks he would not have lost his job to Starks. Mike Adams should be groomed for LT for one year- he has really good feet. Starks is a serviceable LT until Adams can take over. Gilbert is not a LT imo.
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Scott couldn't have played admirably or I wouldn't have been so upset last year week 1 when he was the starting LT. If Scott was a better player than Starks he would not have lost his job to Starks. Mike Adams should be groomed for LT for one year- he has really good feet. Starks is a serviceable LT until Adams can take over. Gilbert is not a LT imo.
Gilbert can plat LT better than Starks. Just watch and learn this year.
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Scott is under a $2 mil+ contract for 2012. Starks will play for the vet minimum. Scott will go to camp because Starks will miss the first couple of weeks. Once Starks is cleared, Scott will be cut.

Adams will not play much this year, unless Colon goes back on IR ( not a discounted possibility). IMO, Adams is basically a much younger version of Starks.
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Gilbert can plat LT better than Starks. Just watch and learn this year.
Maybe we will find out. Hope you are right. I am skeptical.
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IMO, Adams is basically a much younger version of Starks.
Adams looks like a more fluid athlete than Starks. Lighter on his feet.

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Maybe we will find out. Hope you are right. I am skeptical.
I was skeptical of Gilbert until I saw him in preseason game last year. Nice Kick slide, good footwork, keeps his shoulders square to the line and is a massive dude to handle rushers.

Only think I saw was he was high in his sets and got bulled when guys got under him, but that was corrected by later in the season. He's looking on track to be a young marvel Smith IMO.
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I wouldn't mind seeing Max Starks around for depth - deep depth. Obviously, Scott was the weakest link, but Starks is a big underachiever. Gotta have some heart.

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Why is he undervalued?? Lets just say he is overvalued by the Steeler fans. He is valued appropriately by the NFL front offices and scouting community, as a guy with above average skill and size that combined below average motivation to become a career RT.
You nailed it 100%. Starks seems pretty good when you look around and there's absolutely nothing else. After the last five years, Steelers fans need to get their expectations back up to where they should be. Frankly, I'm incredulous that anyone could think that Starks is undervalued. An NFL-caliber O-line is coming, ready or not.
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I wouldn't mind seeing Max Starks around for depth - deep depth. Obviously, Scott was the weakest link, but Starks is a big underachiever. Gotta have some heart.



You nailed it 100%. Starks seems pretty good when you look around and there's absolutely nothing else. After the last five years, Steelers fans need to get their expectations back up to where they should be. Frankly, I'm incredulous that anyone could think that Starks is undervalued. An NFL-caliber O-line is coming, ready or not.
Yes I think he is undervalued. He was released before the start of last season. That is a really low value assigned to him. He came back to start 12 games allowing 4.5 sacks including holding DPOY Suggs to 1 assisted tackle. He was 14th in the league amongst starting tackles in sacks allowed. It takes heart to be a starting player in any professional sport. There is no higher level of competition. How many years pro experience do you have to question someone's heart?
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Yes, that was a very low value assigned to him, and 31 other NFL teams seemed to agree. Lucky for him, the Steelers were down to only one legitimate, healthy OT, so there was an opening for a space filler.

How many years of NFL front office experience do you have that allows you to question the uniform assessment of all 32 NFL teams?

An NFL-caliber O-line is coming to Pittsburgh, ready or not.
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