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Old 06-07-2012, 12:36 PM   #1
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Default Steelers Coaches line up work for absent linemen.

Steelers coaches line up work for absent linemenJune 7, 2012 12:31 am
By Dan Gigler / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


Owing to an NFL rule preventing draftees from joining their teams until their collegiate coursework is completed, Steelers first- and second-round picks David DeCastro and Mike Adams haven't attended organized team activities while they wind down their academic careers on campuses in Palo Alto, Calif., and Columbus, Ohio, respectively.

That hasn't kept new homework from Pittsburgh from coming in. And unlike a college gut course, offensive line coach Sean Kugler said "they can't BS their way through it."

Kugler said Wednesday that the two linemen were outfitted with laptops with the team's playbook and corresponding video and have been sent weekly updates as more of the offense is installed. They'll join the team next week, but they also have been studying their materials and asking Kugler questions during nightly phone calls.

"Those guys have been doing a great job communicating with us," Kugler said. "To ask the types of questions that they're asking shows me that they're looking at their stuff."

When they arrive, Kugler said that they'll run with first offense -- DeCastro at right guard and Adams at left tackle.

"Those guys have a lot of catch-up work to do, so I'm going to give those guys a lot of work. Nobody just comes in and is handed a job," Kugler said, but conceded that two rookie starters on the offensive line is not out of the question.

"If they're the best guys, they're going to play. I don't have a fear of starting rookies if they're ready. If they're ready, they'll play. If they're not ready, they won't."

Kugler is bullish on Willie Colon's potential. Colon this offseason moved to left guard after playing the first six years of his career at right tackle.

"Willie's doing an excellent job in there. He's really full force. He's sold on being a guard and that's the main thing. If he was reluctant and didn't want to be a guard, it wouldn't work," Kugler said, adding that Colon's physical stature suits him to the position.

"He's got excellent strength. He's got good pulling potential that you really can't utilize at tackle, that you can really utilize at guard. The way that we run our offense he would be a perfect fit right there."

He added that Colon will be an asset against the schemes run by AFC North defenses.

"[In] our division ... you're matched up with guys covered on the guards. Willie's got the strength and the ability to match up with those guys inside. ... I think he's going to be an excellent guard and he's only going to benefit us up front."

Before the draft, Marcus Gilbert was slated to move from right tackle to left, but that plan is on hold until the Steelers can evaluate Adams, a natural left tackle. During OTAs, Gilbert has worked at both tackle spots, and Kugler said Adams will, too.

"The best guys are going to play at their set positions. It's not going to be a rotational thing or anything like that. I would hate to have to say to Marcus Gilbert halfway through training camp 'oh, by the way -- move to left.' "

Two-time Pro Bowl center Maurkice Pouncey is fully recovered from nagging ankle injuries that kept him out of two games late last season and the Steelers' playoff loss to Denver, Kugler said.

"This has been his best offseason since he's been here. I'm excited to watch Maurkice Pouncey play this year."

Kugler said the transition to a new offense has been relatively painless for the line.

"There's terminology changes -- how they hear formations and stuff like that. But all in all [with] the line calls and those things, we've tried to remain consistent."

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Default Re: Steelers Coaches line up work for absent linemen.

kevin colbert on sirius just now- colon "not a prototypical tackle" because he is 6'2" and probably has 32" arms. tremendous upside at guard.

first time i saw him at camp i saw a road grader guard- tim ryan

"Willie's doing an excellent job in there. He's really full force. ...," Kugler said, adding that Colon's physical stature suits him to the position.



why do people such as o-line coaches, scouts, players/analysts and gm's keep harping on his arm length and height?
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Default Re: Steelers Coaches line up work for absent linemen.

THE COLON
I have been saying for years that The Colon would be far better suited inside.

I never thought that The Colon was very good as a RT, but I think that he was better than most give him credit. For example, there is some stat that he gave up the second fewest sacks than any other OT (second to Jake Long). The Colon's problem: false starts. Playing out of position, he HAD to get a jump on the DEs/OLBs; ergo, he had a propensity to false start...early & often. Whereas, playing inside, he won't need to get that "early" start...and will flourish.

He will go from "above avergae" (as a RT) to "good" (as a LG).

DD
When I first saw this kid play, I stood up & asked, "Who is THAT!?!" He is like a 300 lb fullback: the kid can pull & block D-linemen, as well as block through the hole/into the second level (like a FB). I saw him, at times, block three guys in a row: a DT, then ILB, and then SS.

POUNCEY
With The Colon & DD able to handle their own match-ups, Pouncey will no lomnger have to "make up" for the lackluster play of Ramon Foster (or Doug Legusrky or whomever). In turn, Pouncey will be EVEN BETTER than he has already been.

SUMMATION
Why not start the rookies?

DD will dominate from day one. Pouncey will be able to handle his man (obviously). Ergo, The Colon at LG will be able to help Adams. And, besides, Adams is ALREADY an upgrade over Jon Scott.

Adams > my 13 month old > Scott

In other words, Adams need not be "great" to be an "upgrade." [Note: I think that Adams will indeed develop into a fine LT...much like Marvel Smith.]
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kevin colbert on sirius just now- colon "not a prototypical tackle" because he is 6'2" and probably has 32" arms. tremendous upside at guard.

first time i saw him at camp i saw a road grader guard- tim ryan

"Willie's doing an excellent job in there. He's really full force. ...," Kugler said, adding that Colon's physical stature suits him to the position.



why do people such as o-line coaches, scouts, players/analysts and gm's keep harping on his arm length and height?
Having prototypical guard size doesn't make you a bad tackle or a good guard. Especially when you've never played guard before.
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Having prototypical guard size doesn't make you a bad tackle or a good guard. Especially when you've never played guard before.
Very true. There are hundred of guys who are the right "size"...yet, simply cannot play.

I think that what many of us are doing is "projecting." The Colon has been a pretty good RT...who, many of us have felt, would be even better if he played OG.

It's sort of akin to the NFL draft: no one "truly" knows, but projections can indeed be made (eg most of us can project that DD is going to be a monster).

Make sense?
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kevin colbert on sirius just now- colon "not a prototypical tackle" because he is 6'2" and probably has 32" arms. tremendous upside at guard.
first time i saw him at camp i saw a road grader guard- tim ryan

"Willie's doing an excellent job in there. He's really full force. ...," Kugler said, adding that Colon's physical stature suits him to the position.



why do people such as o-line coaches, scouts, players/analysts and gm's keep harping on his arm length and height?
Link please. I thought Jim Wexell tweeted that Colon has 36" arms or something, at least longer than Marcus Gilbert's 33.5" long arms that were measured at the combine.

so my flawed evaluation of Colon from my La-z-boy seems to only correlate with similar evaluations from Colbert, Kugler, Tunch, Ryan, Tony Pauline and Pat Kirwan. That cant be right.
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Having prototypical guard size doesn't make you a bad tackle or a good guard. Especially when you've never played guard before.
No, but just because a guy has never played guard before, doesnt mean that you have to put him at OT in the NFL. If the player lacks the ideal size for an NFL OT, then you are doing him a favor by putting him inside at a position that he can succeed.

Players that played college OT and translated to guard in the NFL:
-Jahri Evans- Bloomsberg college
-Carl Nicks- Nebraska
-Kendall Simmons- Auburn OT
-Ramon Foster- Tennessee OT
-Logan Mankins - Fresno St
-Jeremy Zuttah (Tampa Bay)- Rutgers OT
-Marshall Yanda (Ravens) Iowa RT
-Robert Gallery Iowa OT
.........and the list goes on.........
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Having prototypical guard size doesn't make you a bad tackle or a good guard. Especially when you've never played guard before.
of course not, just like having a giant schlong doesnt make you into a great porn star. it certainly helps though.

just like not having brains doesnt make one a good wr or bad qb. just ask kordell. having brains certainly helps. prototypical size is the difference of 2nd round drew brees being replaced by 1st round philip rivers and then miami passing on him in FA in favor of an expired d. culpepper.

the point is that to a degree the professionals disagree with you. they think he will go from a good RT to an exceptional guard, especially in the AFC north with the types of defensive fronts they will face 6X/year (more if playoffs).

i have to side with the experts on this. colbert intimated today that colon became a starting RT for the steelers more out of neccessity and by design and he excelled there.

his statement led me to believe that grimm and wisenhunt probably had plans to convert him to guard from the get-go. i think that grimm guy knows a lil something about o-line and who may be best suited where.
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Disagree with me about what? What is it that I've said in the past that anything in this thread contradicts? Did I ever say that he had ideal tackle size? Ever? Did I ever deny that it's been widely stated throughout his career that he has prototypical guard size? Ever? I don't even understand what you're arguing against. The only thing that I've ever stated was that he has been a quality starting right tackle, regardless of his size. And I also pointed out that his arms are longer than Marcus Gilbert's. I've also never said that I anticipate him failing to be able to make it at guard.

Why is it that you and Gonzo always go around the horn with me whenever Colon is brought up? I don't think we even disagree on anything except the fact that Gonzo thought Tony Hills would be fine at RT and I didn't.
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Why is it that you and Gonzo always go around the horn with me whenever Colon is brought up? I don't think we even disagree on anything except the fact that Gonzo thought Tony Hills would be fine at RT and I didn't.
I have no idea what "going around the horn" is supposed to mean in this context. Your contention that just because Colon played RT at Hofstra, it was his best position in the NFL and not guard is what I find the most short sighted. As I pointed out earlier, it happens a lot. Colbert, Kugler and others have pointed out that due to Colon's build he is better suited to guard.

If somebody has a different opinion than yours, you refer to them and their point of view with derogatory verbage and tone.....but when evidence comes out that you were wrong, you backpedal and deflect. Reminds me of somebody that used to post here.
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