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Old 08-02-2012, 11:28 PM   #1
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Default Butler- BUCK & MACK morphing into interchangable positions

this further explains the selection of Spence in the 3rd round. It is also a testament to the master dick lebeau as we witness the evolution of how defenses will be played to keep up with the high scoring passing offenses league rules have paved the way for.

steelersdepot breaks this down nicely along with an audio link to the actual interview (incredibly insightful)-

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/08...e-linebackers/
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Old 08-03-2012, 09:19 AM   #2
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Default Re: Butler- BUCK & MACK morphing into interchangable positions

This link went to a page of tweets. A nice link, but not about Spence.
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Old 08-03-2012, 09:54 AM   #3
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Default Re: Butler- BUCK & MACK morphing into interchangable positions

hmmm...

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Default Re: Butler- BUCK & MACK morphing into interchangable positions

Troy & Clark flip positions a lot... which is what makes Troy so difficult for QBs to "find."  Just when a QB thinks Troy is doing one thing, he's doing another... and, meanwhile, Clark is where the QB thought Troy should have been, then BLAMO!, the QB sees Clark (where he thought he had no defender), freaks out, and throws the ball away.  

Now... imagine a QB having that same problem reading the coverage LB (against his TEs).  Same result: balls thrown away (or intercepted).  

Furthermore, imagine right before the snap, the OLBs & ILBs flip-flop. The QB's reads (& O-line's reads) would alter... chaos ensues... wasted down.  

I like it.  Reminds me a lot of the Blitzburgh defenses in the 90s: QBs utterly confused.  
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Default Re: Butler- BUCK & MACK morphing into interchangable positions

Sounds like Butler is saying that he wants to be able to have Timmons make calls, so if Foote is injured or ineffective....he can sub in the next guy up. Or have Jackson, Sylvester be able to sub for Foote.

I cant see them having to put Timmons outside again as much if Carter and Worilds are ready to backup. I still think you need a bigger thumper of an ILB on the strong side and that eventually may be Timmons, with Spence playing the weak side.

I honestly hope that Jackson shows well in camp and becomes the #1 backup at ILB. The guy can play inside or out like Keyaron Fox did.
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it's time for timmons to become to leader of that defense IMO. I'm surprised it hasn't happened earlier, but now that farrior is gone, and with foote not being a LT solution, timmons should be taking on that role

prolly in a year or 2 we'll likely see timmons at the buck and spence as mack. timmons isn't the prototypical buck but that's a lot of speed covering the middle of the field, which will be effective against the new breed of NFL offenses. lebeau and butler are doing a great job at building a defense that won't be obsolete in the coming years.
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it's time for timmons to become to leader of that defense IMO. I'm surprised it hasn't happened earlier, but now that farrior is gone, and with foote not being a LT solution, timmons should be taking on that role

prolly in a year or 2 we'll likely see timmons at the buck and spence as mack. timmons isn't the prototypical buck but that's a lot of speed covering the middle of the field, which will be effective against the new breed of NFL offenses. lebeau and butler are doing a great job at building a defense that won't be obsolete in the coming years.
This is why I think it may be a good thing that we did not draft Hightower, even though he was the guy I really wanted.
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This is why I think it may be a good thing that we did not draft Hightower, even though he was the guy I really wanted.
i wouldn't have complained if we picked hightower, but sooner or later timmons would have to get used to calling defenses, when he's the sole MLB in nickel packages (since i'd assume hightower wouldn't be the guy for passing downs)

with spence in the picture though, either or could be on the field for passing downs. makes us less predictable and adds versatility
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Troy & Clark flip positions a lot... which is what makes Troy so difficult for QBs to "find."  Just when a QB thinks Troy is doing one thing, he's doing another... and, meanwhile, Clark is where the QB thought Troy should have been, then BLAMO!, the QB sees Clark (where he thought he had no defender), freaks out, and throws the ball away.  

Now... imagine a QB having that same problem reading the coverage LB (against his TEs).  Same result: balls thrown away (or intercepted).  

Furthermore, imagine right before the snap, the OLBs & ILBs flip-flop. The QB's reads (& O-line's reads) would alter... chaos ensues... wasted down.  

I like it.  Reminds me a lot of the Blitzburgh defenses in the 90s: QBs utterly confused.  
Clark has said NUMEROUS times that even HE doesn't know what Troy's doing at all times. That's why our defense simply works and it's why our defense is the hardest to figure out more-so than anybodies. If guys like Troy and Clark understand each other and play an unconventional type defense and safety-play that WORKS for them & if LeBeau allows it, then I'm all for that translating over to the Buck and Mack positions with our backers. Makes sense, since a TON of people compared Spence's football instincts, body of work and smarts to Polamalu.

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. Makes sense, since a TON of people compared Spence's football instincts, body of work and smarts to Polamalu.
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When I watch(ed) Spence play, it was almost like he would move before the snap of the ball, and in turn, blow plays up.  Eerie & uncanny instincts.  

Spence reminds/reminded me of a certain long-haired SS.  
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