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Old 08-06-2012, 04:03 AM   #1
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Default Sikhs express shock after shootings at Wisconsin temple

6 August 2012 Last updated at 03:25 ET Sikhs have sometimes been mistaken for Muslims and targeted in attacks post-9/11
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Sikhs living in the United States have expressed their shock and fear after a shooting at a temple in Wisconsin on Sunday which left seven people dead.
Some community members could not believe what happened. Others said they had feared such attacks since 9/11.
A gunman entered the Sikh temple on Sunday morning and opened fire, killing six people and injuring a policeman.
A vigil for the victims was held in nearby Milwaukee as police searched the suspect's home.
FBI and bomb squad officers have surrounded the property of the alleged gunman in Cudahy, about 2.5 miles (4km) north of the Wisconsin Sikh Temple and evacuated local residents.
In total, seven people died in the attack in Oak Creek, a suburb of Milwaukee, including the gunman. A police officer and two other men were critically injured.
Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, who is himself a Sikh, said he was "deeply shocked and saddened" by the attack.
"That this senseless act of violence should be targeted at a place of religious worship is particularly painful," Mr Singh said in a statement.
Muslim confusion Officials have not yet identified the gunman or a possible motive, but Sikh organisations in the US say the community has been vulnerable since the 9/11 attacks.
Continue reading the main story Sikhism at a glance

  • Sikhism is a monotheistic faith founded more than 500 years ago in South Asia
  • Observant Sikhs do not cut their hair; male followers often wear turbans and do not shave their beards
  • The faith has about 27 million followers worldwide. There are up to 500,000 Sikhs in the US, where they have sometimes been confused with Muslims
  • In Sept 2001, an Arizona gas station owner, Balbir Singh Sodhi, was shot dead by a man said to be seeking revenge on Muslims for 9/11

"This is something we have been fearing since 9/11, that this kind of incident will take place," said Rajwant Singh, chairman of the Washington-based Sikh Council on Religion and Education.
"It was a matter of time because there's so much ignorance and people confuse us [as] being members of Taliban or belonging to [Osama] bin Laden," he told Associated Press.
"We never thought this could happen to our community," Devendar Nagra, 48, told Associated Press, "we never did anything wrong to anyone."
Sikhism hails from the Indian subcontinent and observant Sikhs wear turbans. Members of the community have been attacked in the past by assailants mistaking them for Muslims.
"That turban has tragically marked us as automatically suspect, perpetually foreign and potentially terrorists," Valarie Kaur, a filmmaker based in the US who has chronicled attacks on Sikhs, told the news agency.
Several hundred people turned up to an impromptu candlelit vigil in Milwaukee on Sunday evening for the victims of the shooting.
There are an estimated 2,500-3,000 Sikh families in and around the city worshipping at two gurdwaras and temples, including the Wisconsin Sikh Temple.
Distraught family members are still waiting for news in Oak Creek
Lakhwinder Singh, a member of the congregation there, told Reuters that two of the victims were believed to be the president of temple and a priest.
"It will take a long time to heal. We're hurt very badly," he said.
'Terrorist-type incident' President Barack Obama expressed his condolences with victims of the attack, which comes just over two weeks after a gun massacre left 12 people dead at a Colorado cinema.
"As we mourn this loss which took place at a house of worship, we are reminded how much our country has been enriched by Sikhs, who are a part of our broader American family."
The US embassy in India said it was "deeply saddened by the senseless loss of lives and injuries" caused by the shooting.
"Our hearts, thoughts, and prayers go out to the victims and their families," a statement said.
"The United States takes very seriously the responsibility to respect and protect people of all faiths. Religious freedom and religious tolerance are fundamental pillars of US society."
Local politician Mark Honadel called the attack "craziness".
The state representative told CNN: "Unfortunately, when this type of stuff hits your area, you say to yourself, 'why?' But in today's society, I don't think there's any place that's free from idiots."
Police have described it as a "domestic terrorist-type incident". The FBI are taking over the criminal investigation.
There was believed to be only one attacker, with eyewitness reports suggesting it was a white male.





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There's no excuse for a man on a rage rampage.

Reports are now that the man was ex military, possible skin head, and possibly had just broken up with his girlfriend. Thoughts go out to all those affected by this.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/auth...emple-shooter/
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He was in a white power band known as End Apathy.

Shooter, Wade Page, was Army vet, white supremacist
By John Diedrich, Don Walker and Mike Johnson of the Journal Sentinel
Aug. 6, 2012 8:36 a.m.

The shooter in the deadly attack Sunday at the Sikh Temple in Oak Creek was identified as Wade Michael Page, 40, sources familiar with the shooting investigation said Monday.

He served in the Army for several years and was assigned to psychological operations, or PsyOps, according to the sources.

He is no longer in the Army.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, a group that has studied hate crimes for decades, reported Monday that Page was a frustrated neo-Nazi who had been the leader of a racist white-power band known as End Apathy.
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Also, take these articles for what their worth, since they come from infowars. But I do find it highly suspicious that this is being treated as a lone gunman, domestic terrorism situation, when there are witness reports claiming different.

The official and repeating scenario (“we believe there was only one shooter”) has already been contradicted.
Two witnesses (one who was apparently inside the temple and one outside who obtained information from his father) state there were multiple shooters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=zYCurbSAsd4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=9ecdSKi9_fs
The second witness says four white males unleashed a coordinated attack inside the temple. The first witness says gas was released.


http://www.infowars.com/shooting-at-...fits-big-time/

Despite the fact that a number of different eyewitnesses reported multiple shooters, the narrative of the lone gunman, a disgruntled US Army veteran, has now been fixed. This conveniently dovetails with recent efforts by the feds to demonize returning veterans as potential terrorists, which itself is part of the wider move to smear conservatives as domestic extremists.

The FBI has also gone out of its way to characterize returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan as a major domestic terrorist threat. Additionally, Janet Napolitano said she stood by an April 2009 DHS intelligence assessment that listed returning vets as likely domestic terrorists.


http://www.infowars.com/sikh-shootin...sts-narrative/

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Also, take these articles for what their worth, since they come from infowars.

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Then just take a look at the youtube links, if you don't want to read the articles.

Besides, it's not like they're saying anything really new. It's already known fact that vets are considered potential terrorists.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...mism/?page=all
http://boehner.house.gov/news/docume...umentID=122568
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Then just take a look at the youtube links, if you don't want to read the articles.

Besides, it's not like they're saying anything really new. It's already known fact that vets are considered potential terrorists.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...mism/?page=all
http://boehner.house.gov/news/docume...umentID=122568

Are you a conspiracy believer? While it's possible Wade had others with him who have gotten away at this point, ballistics will tell if more than one gun was used. What isn't possible is that this is a government run hit team.
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Sometimes...depends on what information I'm presented with and what conclusions I come to. Haven't come to any definite conclusions here.

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Never stated that's what happened, just providing links to what some people have said that contradict what is being reported as a lone gunman attack.

I guess I'm just not as quick to dismiss gov't involvement as you are. Not going to state that I believe anything definitive, but I'm certainly not going to rule out the possibility, especially in the context of what is going on with the US and UN right now.

At any rate, this will just be another story to promote groups of people to domestic terrorist lists and further the agenda of banning firearms. Whether the gov't had any involvement or not, they're certainly going to run with this.

Shame that tragedies are used in such ways.
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Never stated that's what happened, just providing links to what some people have said that contradict what is being reported as a lone gunman attack.

I guess I'm just not as quick to dismiss gov't involvement as you are. Not going to state that I believe anything definitive, but I'm certainly not going to rule out the possibility, especially in the context of what is going on with the US and UN right now.

At any rate, this will just be another story to promote groups of people to domestic terrorist lists and further the agenda of banning firearms. Whether the gov't had any involvement or not, they're certainly going to run with this.

Shame that tragedies are used in such ways.
What's going on in the US and UN right now? Without referring to anything Glenn Beckish if you can.

After all, you are suggesting that it is possible for the FBI, full of people who have served throughout many different administrations, to be in on killing innocent people and shooting a cop. It would take the silence and complicity of how many people to plan and execute such an undertaking? Would Wade be a secret part of the FBI or just a dupe, convenient skinhead they kidnapped and mind controlled?
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What's going on in the US and UN right now? Without referring to anything Glenn Beckish if you can.

After all, you are suggesting that it is possible for the FBI, full of people who have served throughout many different administrations, to be in on killing innocent people and shooting a cop. It would take the silence and complicity of how many people to plan and execute such an undertaking? Would Wade be a secret part of the FBI or just a dupe, convenient skinhead they kidnapped and mind controlled?
You aren't even reading my posts apparently, just injecting your own interpretations.

I'm not suggesting anything, other than the official story of one shooter may not be correct, and posted corresponding links and videos. You took that to mean I'm a conspiracy nut who thinks the gov't is behind it.

As to your trap questions, it really wouldn't take that many people at all. Just a few, if that. Also, Page WAS a part of the PSYOPS program. But again, I'm not stating that's what I fully believe, just that I don't think it is an impossibility.

What's going on with the US and UN right now? Try reading a news article about the UN small arms ban for one.
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