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Old 09-19-2012, 12:57 AM   #81
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Replacement officials taking heat

By ROB MAADDI (AP Pro Football Writer)


One official was pulled from duty because he's a fan. Another negated a touchdown without ever throwing a penalty flag. Several others had difficulty with basic rules.

Upon further review, the NFL's replacement officials came up short in Week 2.

Coaches and players around the league are losing patience and speaking out against the fill-in officials following a slew of questionable calls in the games Sunday and Monday night.

Some players are even joking about dipping into their own pockets to settle the contract dispute and get the regular officials back on the field.

''I don't know what they're arguing about, but I got a couple of (million) on it, so let's try to make it work,'' Washington defensive back DeAngelo Hall said, kiddingly, on Monday. ''I'm sure the locker room could pot up some cash and try to help the cause out.''

The NFL locked out the regular officials in June after their contract expired. Negotiations with the NFL Referees Association broke down several times during the summer, including just before the season, and the league is using replacements for the first time since 2001.

The results have been mixed.

Just hours before kickoff Sunday, the NFL removed side judge Brian Stropolo from the New Orleans-Carolina game because it was discovered he's a Saints fan.

Then came the on-field problems.

In Philadelphia's 24-23 win over Baltimore, two game-altering calls left quarterback Joe Flacco and linebacker Ray Lewis fuming, though it appeared on replay that both calls were accurate. That didn't make them any less controversial.

Flacco's scoring pass to receiver Jacoby Jones in the fourth quarter was called back because of offensive pass interference. The official who made the call didn't throw the yellow flag, though he immediately signaled a penalty.

''I might sound like a little bit of a baby here,'' Flacco said, ''but for them to make that call, I think, was a little crazy.''

There was confusion later during Philadelphia's go-ahead drive. First, the two-minute warning occurred twice. Then, quarterback Michael Vick's forward pass was called a fumble inside the Ravens 5. It was ruled incomplete following a replay, and Vick scored on the next play after a few anxious moments.

''It's extra stress when you have to sit there and wait,'' Vick said. ''The one thing you don't want to do, you don't want to put the game in the officials' hands.''

Lewis, like many players around the league, has seen enough.

''The time is now,'' he said. ''How much longer are we going to keep going through this whole process? I don't have the answer. I just know across the league teams and the league are being affected by it. It's not just this game, it's all across the league. And so if they want the league to have the same reputation it's always had, they'll address the problem. Get the regular referees in here and let the games play themselves out.

''We already have controversy enough with the regular refs calling the plays.''

The problems continued Monday night when Peyton Manning led the Denver Broncos against the Atlanta Falcons.

The officials missed a call on Denver's first touchdown, ruling that Demaryius Thomas was pushed out of bounds. The replay clearly showed he got both feet down, and the call was reversed after a review.

The Falcons' first score also was reversed, this time with the officials ruling, with help from a replay, that Michael Turner actually landed short of the goal line. He wound up scoring on the next play.

In the second half, the officials got mixed up on where to place the ball after a defensive holding penalty on Champ Bailey. The crowd booed while the officials conferred, finally moving it a few yards forward to the proper spot.

It was those sort of delays that helped the game drag on for nearly 3 1/2 hours.

Despite the public outcry, the league backed the replacement crews, a collection of small-college officials who have been studying NFL rules since the summer.

''Officiating is never perfect. The current officials have made great strides and are performing admirably under unprecedented scrutiny and great pressure,'' NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said in an email to The Associated Press. ''As we do every season, we will work to improve officiating and are confident that the game officials will show continued improvement.''

While some of the mistakes on Sunday were judgment calls - such as a pass interference penalty on Pittsburgh defensive back Ike Taylor in which he appeared to miss a New York Jets receiver - the more egregious errors appear to be misinterpretations of rules.

In St. Louis' 31-28 victory over Washington, Rams coach Jeff Fisher challenged a second-quarter fumble by running back Steven Jackson near the goal line and it was overturned. The Rams ended up kicking a field goal, which was the margin of victory.

The problem there was a coach is not allowed to challenge a play when a turnover is ruled on the field. It should've been an automatic 15-yard penalty on Fisher. Also, if Fisher threw the red challenge flag before the replay official initiated the review, then a review is not allowed and the Redskins would've kept the ball.

''I just think that they're just so inconsistent that it definitely has an effect on the games,'' Redskins linebacker London Fletcher said. ''You were hoping it would get better, but everybody is having to dealing with it.''

In the Cleveland-Cincinnati game, the clock continued to run after an incomplete pass by Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton in the second quarter. A total of 29 seconds ticked off, and the Browns ended the half with the ball at their 29. Perhaps an extra half-minute could've helped the drive. The Bengals won 34-27.

''Missed calls & bad calls are going to happen,'' Browns linebacker Scott Fujita, an NFLPA executive council member, wrote on Twitter. ''That's part of the deal & we can all live with it. But not knowing all the rules and major procedural errors (like allowing the clock to run after an incomplete pass) are completely unacceptable. Enough already.''

The Colts were incorrectly told at the end of their game that accepting an offside penalty would start the clock. So, quarterback Andrew Luck spiked the ball to stop it and set up Adam Vinatieri's 53-yard field goal that gave Indianapolis a 23-20 win over Minnesota.

Feisty play was a common theme around the league, as well. Players are seemingly getting away with being more physical, especially after the whistle. Officials appear reluctant to call personal fouls, opting instead for offsetting unsportsmanlike penalties that won't dissuade guys from going after each other as much.

The officials singled out an offender in the final minutes at St. Louis. Washington receiver Josh Morgan reacted after being tackled - and then shoved - by Cortland Finnegan, tossing the ball at the Rams cornerback and drawing an unsportsmanlike penalty. That turned a potential game-tying 47-yard field goal into a 62-yard attempt, which Billy Cundiff missed short.

''I've never been a part of a game that was that chippy,'' Washington's Hall said. ''Just so much extracurricular things going on after the play.''

Philadelphia receiver Jason Avant predicted replacement officials would have trouble keeping players in line.

''When you go into a game, you know what things you can do to get away with, with these refs that we have,'' Avant said a few days before the season opener. ''Guys are going to kind of cheat.''

As a result, Avant and many of his peers are concerned about safety.

''If they're going to press player safety,'' Buffalo center Eric Wood said, ''and they're going to have this multibillion-dollar industry, they should probably try to get something done to keep the product high.''

In 2001, the lockout lasted for one week of the regular season before a settlement was reached. This was the second weekend the replacements were used, and the NFL has drawn up a five-week schedule for using them if the labor dispute is not resolved.

In Week 1, there was one major error, when the officials awarded Seattle an extra timeout in the final minutes of a game at Arizona. The Cardinals held on to win and the crew's referee admitted the mistake.

''I don't know if there's a newfound appreciation or anything like that, but those guys have been doing it for a long time and they put a lot of time and hard work into going out there and doing this and seeing those games,'' Flacco said about the regular officials. ''It's not easy to be down there and be officiating games that are going full speed at this level, so that's my opinion of it.

''It's tough to just get thrown right in there and be perfect.''

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Because you will keep watching, buying merchandise and getting your Direct TV. If you dont like the inferior product, then stop watching.

I hate this union notion that because an owner or corporation is successful, that the employees deserve a bigger part of the pie. Its like autoworkers that wanted more $$ when the automakers were making profit, but when they started losing money, I didnt see any employees offering to help out their employer by giving salary back.

Maybe the players union will give up some of their membership salary to fund the pay increases to the Refs if they want them back so badly?? Call me when that happens.
In case you have somehow forgotten, the US auto industry (like the nation's steel industry) was arguably the best in the world until the owners decided that it would be a great idea to start shipping more and more of the work overseas. Now American cars suck and don't sell, and there is no such thing as American steel, so there's nothing to sell. Don't talk like the league can't **** up a good thing. Ownership can **** up anything if given enough rope.
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You never see employees giving back salaries? How about layoffs, right-sizing, reengineering, etc. You're kidding right? The corporation will take its share and piss on the most valuable asset, the employee. The refs didn't lock themselve out, goddell did.
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Old 09-19-2012, 08:14 AM   #83
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In case you have somehow forgotten, the US auto industry (like the nation's steel industry) was arguably the best in the world until the owners decided that it would be a great idea to start shipping more and more of the work overseas. Now American cars suck and don't sell, and there is no such thing as American steel, so there's nothing to sell. Don't talk like the league can't **** up a good thing. Ownership can **** up anything if given enough rope.

Amen, brother.
Ric, the most expensive thing in a GM car 5 years ago was not the motor, it was the labour cost and pension benefits of the autoworker. Unions kept going on strike and demanding more until a guy putting in a windshield in Detroit made a lot more than he should have and the company could not be competitive.

I'm tired of hearing unions making demands that they want more, when they are already getting compensated well. Everybody thinks they are entitled to something, rather than wanting to work for it. The entitlement of the culture is sickening and that is all these refs think...................they are entitled to more.
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Ric, the most expensive thing in a GM car 5 years ago was not the motor, it was the labour cost and pension benefits of the autoworker. Unions kept going on strike and demanding more until a guy putting in a windshield in Detroit made a lot more than he should have and the company could not be competitive.

Not competitive?

Last year, the CEO of General motors "earned" $10,000,000.00.
If you were to break that down to a 40 hr. week, that would be the equivalent of $4,800.00 PER HOUR or $192,000.00 PER WEEK.

The highest paid assembly line worker earned $47.00.00 PER HOUR / $1,880.00 WK.

If GM isn't competitive, then maybe the CEO should take a pay cut.

Is any human being really worth $4,800.00 per hour to do a job?
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Not competitive?

Last year, the CEO of General motors "earned" $10,000,000.00.
If you were to break that down to a 40 hr. week, that would be the equivalent of $4,800.00 PER HOUR or $192,000.00 PER WEEK.

The highest paid assembly line worker earned $47.00.00 PER HOUR / $1,880.00 WK.

If GM isn't competitive, then maybe the CEO should take a pay cut.

Is any human being really worth $4,800.00 per hour to do a job?
Unless your life is constantly in danger, i'd have to answer that with a "no".

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Not competitive?

Last year, the CEO of General motors "earned" $10,000,000.00.
If you were to break that down to a 40 hr. week, that would be the equivalent of $4,800.00 PER HOUR or $192,000.00 PER WEEK.

The highest paid assembly line worker earned $47.00.00 PER HOUR / $1,880.00 WK.

If GM isn't competitive, then maybe the CEO should take a pay cut.

Is any human being really worth $4,800.00 per hour to do a job?
I was referring to approx 5 years ago when GENERAL MOTORS NEEDED A FEDERAL BAILOUT. .......you know, the $17.4 BILLION

In 2006 the Wall Street Journal reported that the average GM paid an average of $81.18 per hour to their hourly workers. So they are making $47.00 now and being profitable

.WOW, I am not shocked at all that GM cut wages 42% in order to be competitive. Thank you for making my point.
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I was referring to approx 5 years ago when GENERAL MOTORS NEEDED A FEDERAL BAILOUT. .......you know, the $17.4 BILLION

In 2006 the Wall Street Journal reported that the average GM paid an average of $81.18 per hour to their hourly workers. So they are making $47.00 now and being profitable

.WOW, I am not shocked at all that GM cut wages 42% in order to be competitive. Thank you for making my point.
You know, America was at its industrial best back in the '60's when corporations paid the lion's share of taxes and CEO's earned about 40 times more than their lowest paid workers.

But today, the corporations pay less in taxes than the average wage-earner and CEO's make 460 times more than their lowest paid workers yet they need the taxpayers to fork over billions of dollars to help keep them in business.

What's wrong with that picture?
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This will fix everything - tell everyone to just shut up and quit griping about the lousy refs

NFL issues warning on conduct

The NFL reached out to the owners, general managers and coaches of all 32 teams this week to advise them that the type of on-field behavior they witnessed last weekend will not be acceptable this weekend.

Coaches including coach John Fox and defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio of the Denver Broncos, along with San Francisco 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh, were spotted berating officials in a way unacceptable to the league office.

"We contacted them to remind them that everyone has a responsibility to respect the game," NFL executive vice president Ray Anderson said Thursday night. "We expect it to be adhered to this weekend and forevermore."


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/84...s-all-32-teams

Everyone has an obligation to respect the game except Goodell and his yes man Ray Anderson, who blame the coaches and players for complaining about the scab refs that the league has brought in after locking out the real refs
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This will fix everything - tell everyone to just shut up and quit griping about the lousy refs

NFL issues warning on conduct

The NFL reached out to the owners, general managers and coaches of all 32 teams this week to advise them that the type of on-field behavior they witnessed last weekend will not be acceptable this weekend.

Coaches including coach John Fox and defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio of the Denver Broncos, along with San Francisco 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh, were spotted berating officials in a way unacceptable to the league office.

"We contacted them to remind them that everyone has a responsibility to respect the game," NFL executive vice president Ray Anderson said Thursday night. "We expect it to be adhered to this weekend and forevermore."


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/84...s-all-32-teams

Everyone has an obligation to respect the game except Goodell and his yes man Ray Anderson, who blame the coaches and players for complaining about the scab refs that the league has brought in after locking out the real refs

That makes me laugh. The NFL is becoming such a circus.
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