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[MACH1]

Originally Posted by Atlanta Dan

Obama wasn't the one claiming he often thought of serving in Vietnam while rolling up the student deferments

My point is that the GOP talks a tough game about supporting the military and had great fun about Clinton being a draft dodger but its leadership that had a chance to serve in the military took a pass - in addition to Romney being indifferent to serving in Vietnam before he suddenly remembered he longed to serve around the time he was ramping up his 2008 campaign for President we had known tough guy Dick Cheney

Cheney's Five Draft Deferments During the Vietnam Era Emerge as a Campaign Issue

Mr. Cheney this week again questioned the credentials of Senator John Kerry and his ability to be commander in chief. Mr. Kerry, who was decorated in Vietnam and has made his service there a central element of his campaign, fired back.

Putting Mr. Cheney's record in the spotlight, Mr. Kerry said that he "got every deferment in the world and decided he had better things to do."

[cheney] told the Washington Post that he had sought his deferments because "I had other priorities in the 60's than military service."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/01/po...gn/01CHEN.html

If you are going to talk the talk then walk the walk - otherwise these chicken hawks
should have a cup of STFU rather than prance around and claim their selfless devotion to the military which they regard as the hired help

It's not just one side thats doing so. Thinking otherwise is swift boat thinking. As far as the military goes which way do you think their going to vote?

Military Times Poll: Romney bests Obama, 2-1

The professional core of the U.S. military overwhelmingly favors Mitt Romney over President Obama in the upcoming election — but not because of any particular military issues, according to a new poll of more than 3,100 active and reserve troops.

Respondents rated the economy and the candidates’ character as their most important considerations and all but ignored the war in Afghanistan as an issue of concern.http://www.armytimes.com/news/2012/1...ma-2-1-100712/

[Atlanta Dan]

Originally Posted by MACH1

It's not just one side thats doing so. Thinking otherwise is swift boat thinking.?

Agreed - but good luck getting the party that actually used swiftboating against someone who served in Vietnam to admit that

[Killer]

still tanking


Intrade...Electoral Votes, Ronmey 262, Obama 249

http://www.intrade.com/v4/misc/electoral-map/

[tony hipchest]

Originally Posted by MACH1

Yet again Hopey making up lies.

Yes the did ride horses into battle.


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waitaminute...

so where exactly is the lie?

real talk here. all politics and partisanship aside, when it came to pure debate, obama handed romney his ass on a platter in regards to that specific point.

i laugh at the entire base that has gone into pure desperation mode to cover up and try to erase this crucial error in judgement and perspective. obamas gaffe of "57 states" pales in comparisson.

sure the marines are tweeting how they still use bayonets, and sure they look cool, but how many bayonets have been replaced with laser light scopes?

i bet its cool being a cowboy in the calvary leading the charge on horseback into battle into afghanistan ghengis kahn style, but id much rather be in an abrams tank.

poor romney. he was in such damage control, he had to go campaign in virginia shipyards today to tattle tell on obama for calling their craft antiquated.

thats a bitch move. he should sack up, instead of pulling boats out of his ass. what is he going to do with all of these new ships? re-discover america like columbus did 600 years ago???

no offense to the boots on the ground, or the fins in the water, but horsies and boats and swords are SO last millenium (as is romney).

im about as pro-hawk as it gets, and all about the wings in the air. hawks dont slither in the sand or swim through the sea, they fly into the sun and attack before you even know what is coming or can see what hit you.

maybe 1% of earth is covered by beach. 20% is covered by land. 80% is covered by water. 100% is covered by air.

even our air force has been cut, and i am fine with that. you can only go so far with utter dominance and overkill.

anyways, my heart bleeds for romneys subsidiary companies, and buddies who work in the ship building industry. they may not get to partake in the moneygrab that awaits if he is not elected. :sad:

[Atlanta Dan]

Originally Posted by Killer

still tanking


Intrade...Electoral Votes, Ronmey 262, Obama 249

http://www.intrade.com/v4/misc/electoral-map/

???

The map to which you linked (which is not based on polling data but on trading prices for each state - sort of like saying the Steelers won the Redskins game becuase more people are betting on them) says Obama 259-257 with Ohio and New Hampshire as toss-ups

Welcome to the post-modernist world of the GOP, where facts are just a matter of opinion

[Killer]

no need for Dems to bother voting, just stay home, Obama is gonna lose badly


Romney, Ryan Rally draws huge crowd at Red Rocks

[MACH1]

What lies? Quick search top of the page.

Obama's Five Worst Lies & Exaggerations From The Third Debate


NUMBER 1: President Obama Claimed Sequestration Was Not Something That He Proposed – But His Advisers Devised The Defense Cuts:

President Obama: “The Sequester Is Not Something That I Proposed.” OBAMA: “First of all, the sequester is not something that I proposed. It’s something that Congress has proposed. It will not happen. The budget that we’re talking about is not reducing our military spending. It’s maintaining it.” (President Barack Obama, Remarks, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)

Politico, On The Architect Of The Defense Cuts: “In Fact, The Idea May Have Come In Part From Obama’s Current Chief Of Staff, Jack Lew.” “In fact, the idea may have come in part from Obama’s current chief of staff, Jack Lew. The Washington Post’s Bob Woodward reported in his book ‘The Price of Politics’ that Lew, then-Office of Management and Budget director, and White House Legislative Affairs Director Rob Nabors broached the idea of a defense sequester as a threat to Republicans during negotiations over raising the debt ceiling.” (Josh Gerstein and Darren Samuelsohn, “Fact-Checking The Third Presidential Debate,” Politico, 10/22/12)

President Obama’s Administration Was Behind The Idea Of “Massive Defense Cuts.” “The book ‘The Price of Politics,’ by Washington Post Associate Editor Bob Woodward, makes it clear the idea for the draconian spending cuts originated in the White House – and not in Congress. According to the book, excerpts of which were obtained by POLITICO ahead of the Sept. 11 release, President Barack Obama’s top deputies believed the prospect of massive defense cuts would compel Republicans to agree to a deficit-cutting grand bargain.” (Austin Wright, “Bob Woodward Book Could Bolster Republican Attack On W.H.,” Politico, 9/7/12)

Vice President Biden, On The Prospect Of Military & Veterans Cuts: “This Is A Dangerous Area … But We Should Look At It.” “The military was sacred, and it could be political suicide for Democrats to consider cuts for vets. ‘This is a dangerous area,’ he acknowledged, ‘but we should look at it.’” (Bob Woodward, The Price Of Politics, 2012, p. 115)

NUMBER 2: President Obama Falsely Claimed He Didn’t Want A Status Of Forces Agreement In Iraq:

President Obama, On His Administration’s Attempt To Secure A Status Of Forces Agreement In Iraq: “That’s Not True. … What I Would Not Have Done Is Left 10,000 Troops In Iraq…” ROMNEY: “Number two, with regards to Iraq, you and I agreed, I believe, that there should have been a status of forces agreement. Did you –”OBAMA: “That’s not true.” ROMNEY: “Oh, you didn’t — you didn’t want a status of forces agreement?” OBAMA: “No, but what I — what I would not have done is left 10,000 troops in Iraq that would tie us down. That certainly would not help us in the Middle East.” (President Barack Obama, Remarks, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)

The New York Times: “Obama Sought To Negotiate A Status Of Forces Agreement That Would Have Allowed United States Troops To Stay In Iraq After 2011.” “Mr. Obama sought to negotiate a Status of Forces Agreement that would have allowed United States troops to stay in Iraq after 2011. … The role of the American forces would be to train Iraqi troops, patrol Iraq’s skies and help Iraqi commandos fight Al Qaeda.” (The New York Times, 10/22/12)

“Initially, The Obama Administration Was Prepared To Keep Up To 10,000 Troops In Iraq.” (The New York Times, 10/22/12)

“Several Parts Of The Administration Appeared To Try Hard To Negotiate A Deal For Thousands Of Troops To Remain — And Failed.” “The Obama administration is claiming it always intended to withdraw all U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of this year, in line with the president’s announcement today, but in fact several parts of the administration appeared to try hard to negotiate a deal for thousands of troops to remain — and failed.” (Josh Rogin, “How The Obama Administration Bungled The Iraq Withdrawal Negotiations,” Foreign Policy, 10/21/11)

Foreign Policy Headline: “How The Obama Administration Bungled The Iraq Withdrawal Negotiations” (Josh Rogin, “How The Obama Administration Bungled The Iraq Withdrawal Negotiations,” Foreign Policy, 10/21/11)

NUMBER 3: President Obama Said He Will Ensure Iran “Will Not Get A Nuclear Weapon” – But His Policies Have Left Iran Even Closer To Nuclear Weapon Capability:

President Obama: “As Long As I’m President Of The United States, Iran Will Not Get A Nuclear Weapon.” OBAMA: “But to the issue of Iran, as long as I’m president of the United States, Iran will not get a nuclear weapon. I’ve made that clear when I came into office. We then organized the strongest coalition and the strongest sanctions against Iran in history, and it is crippling their economy.” (President Barack Obama, Remarks, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)

President Obama’s “Early Overtures To Iran Were Rejected” And Iran’s Nuclear Program Has Expanded. “Obama’s early overtures to Iran were rejected, and the expansion of Tehran’s nuclear program, which it says is purely peaceful, has created tension between Washington and Israel, which sees a nuclear-armed Iran as a threat to its existence.” (Matt Spetalnick and Mark Felsenthal, “Obama Warns Iran On Nuclear Bid, Containment ‘No Option’,” Reuters, 9/25/12)

Iran Has Succeeded In “Adding Thousands Of Centrifuge Machines To Its Underground Facility” And Has Grown Its Uranium Stockpile. “No firm dates for new negotiations have been set, and Middle East analysts say no breakthrough is likely until after the November election. Meanwhile, Iran’s success in adding thousands of centrifuge machines to its underground facility — and the inexorable growth of its uranium stockpile — continues to stoke fears of an Israeli airstrike. It has also left the White House vulnerable to Republican charges that administration policies, while well-intentioned, have ultimately been fruitless.” (Joby Warrick, “Obama’s Policy On Iran Bears Some Fruit, But Nuclear Program Still Advances,” The Washington Post, 9/24/12)

The Washington Post: “The Result Is That President Obama Is Not Even Leading From Behind On Iran; He Is Simply Behind.” “The result is that President Obama is not even leading from behind on Iran; he is simply behind. At the forefront of the Western effort to pressure Tehran is French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who issued a statement Monday calling on the European Union, the United States, Japan, Canada and ‘other willing countries’ to ‘immediately freeze the assets of Iran’s central bank’ and suspend purchases of Iranian oil.” (Editorial, “More Half-Measures From Obama Administration On Iran,” The Washington Post, 11/22/11)

NUMBER 4: President Obama Claimed He Insisted “China Plays By The Same Rules” – But He’s Failed To Label Them As A Currency Manipulator:

President Obama: “My Attitude Coming Into Office Was That We Are Going To Insist That China Plays By The Same Rules As Everybody Else.” OBAMA: “But with respect to China, China’s both an adversary but also a potential partner in the international community if it’s following the rules. So my attitude coming into office was that we are going to insist that China plays by the same rules as everybody else.” (President Barack Obama, Remarks, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)

Under President Obama, The United States Treasury Department Has Refused To Label China As A Currency Manipulator Seven Times. (Don Lee, “U.S. Declines To Label China A Currency Manipulator,” Los Angeles Times, 5/25/12; Pedro Nicolaci da Costa, “U.S. Again Says China Not Currency Manipulator,” Reuters, 12/28/11; Gregg Robb, “Treasury Says China Isn’t A Currency Manipulator,” Market Watch, 5/27/11; Sewell Chan, “China’s Currency Avoids “Manipulated” Ruling Again,” NYT, 2/04/11; Gregg Robb, “Treasury Does Not Cite China As Currency Manipulator,” Market Watch, 7/8/10; Martin Crutsinger, “Administration Declines To Cite China On Currency Manipulation,” USA Today, 10/15/09; Glenn Somerville and Doug Palmer, “U.S. Again Declines To Brand China Currency Manipulator,” Reuters, 4/15/09)

This Month, The Obama Administration Announced It Would Delay Yet Another Opportunity To Label China As A Currency Manipulator. “The Obama administration is delaying a decision that had been due Monday on whether China is manipulating its currency to gain trade advantages. The Treasury Department says the decision will now come after global finance officials meet in early November.” (“Administration Delays China Currency Report,” The Associated Press, 10/12/12)

President Obama Said He Wouldn’t Declare China A Currency Manipulator Because He Didn’t Want To “Go Out Of Our Way To Embarrass” China. “President Barack Obama, addressing questions Wednesday about China’s alleged trade abuses and currency manipulation, said the United States must push back against unfair practices but not ‘go out of our way to embarrass’ the country.” (Henry J. Gomez, “President Barack Obama Warns Against Embarrassing China On Trade Complaints: Plain Dealer Interview,” The Cleveland Plain Dealer, 9/27/12)

Senator Sherrod Brown: “The U.S. Treasury Department Has Given China A Free Pass When It Comes To Its Currency Manipulation.” “‘Once again, the U.S. Treasury Department has given China a free pass when it comes to its currency manipulation,’ Brown said. ‘While we’re seeing American manufacturing rebound, China is stepping up its efforts in a number of critical sectors, including clean and solar energy, advanced manufacturing, and auto parts.’” (Senator Sherrod Brown, “Treasury Giving China A ‘Free Pass’ On Currency Manipulation,” Press Release, 5/25/12)

NUMBER 5: President Obama Falsely Claimed Mitt Romney Would Not Have Provided Government Assistance To U.S. Auto Companies:

President Obama: “You Were Very Clear That You Would Not Provide Government Assistance To The U.S. Auto Companies Even If They Went Through Bankruptcy.” OBAMA: “You were very clear that you would not provide government assistance to the U.S. auto companies even if they went through bankruptcy. You said that they could get it in the private marketplace. That wasn’t true. They would have gone through.” (President Barack Obama, Remarks, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)

FactCheck.org: Mitt Romney “Said That The ‘Federal Government Should Provide Guarantees For Post-Bankruptcy Financing…’” “He argued against a bailout but for a ‘managed bankruptcy’ in which he said that the ‘federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.’” (Brooks Jackson, et al, “FactChecking The Hofstra Debate,” FactCheck.org, 10/17/12)

Time’s Michael Scherer: “Obama Is Wrong. Romney Supported Guarantees In Bankruptcy. ‘The Federal Government Should Provide Guarantees For Post-Bankruptcy Financing’” (Michael Scherer, Twitter Feed, 10/22/12)

Fox News’ Chris Wallace: “At The End He Said: The Federal Government Should Provide Guarantees For Post-Bankruptcy Financing … Romney Seems To Have Had The Record Straight.” WALLACE: “Finally, very briefly on the auto bailout, in an editorial that Romney wrote in November of 2008, which had the headline he didn’t write it, let Detroit go bankrupt. He did argue for bankruptcy, a managed bankruptcy but at the end he said: the federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk. So at least on that point, again, Romney seems to have had the record straight.” (Fox News, 10/22/12)
http://theiowarepublican.com/2012/pr...ential-debate/

And laser light scopes aren't going to help ya much in a hand to hand situation.

plus lets not sweep this little bump in the road thats not optimal for hopey, the obama libya cover up.

[Atlanta Dan]

How Mitt Romney Gets So Tan

It has been one of the running mysteries of the 2012 campaign trail: How Mitt Romney maintains the ruddy, glowing, and occasionally changing skin tone that helps him project an image of 65-year-old vigor.

A knowledgeable source tells BuzzFeed the answer is in a bit of cosmetic technology used commonly by celebrities: spray tanning....

"The color he's choosing is totally not believable," .... "It's a dead giveaway... They're clearly using way too dark a forumla for his skin tone, It's just like, 'Oh my God, he got sprayed. It's just so obvious."

"I was looking at Mitt Romney the whole time and just thinking, with all that money you’d think he’d get the best spray tanner in the country."



http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins...ey-gets-so-tan

[MACH1]

You know it's bad when msdnc even call him out on the lies.

MSNBC calls out Obama lie, Obama doubles down

Who would have thought that MSNBC, which has pretty much been a propaganda arm for the White House, would be pointing out the lies coming from Barack Obama as he enters the final days of his first term? Certainly not Glenn. And yet, MSNBC brought in Lori Robertson from FactCheck.org and she said Barack Obama was wrong when he said that Romney did not say the government would provide help to G.M. in a managed bankruptcy. But that hasn’t stopped Obama from repeating the lie at every opportunity.

In his op-ed, Romney wrote:

It is not wrong to ask for government help, but the automakers should come up with a win-win proposition. I believe the federal government should invest substantially more in basic research — on new energy sources, fuel-economy technology, materials science and the like — that will ultimately benefit the automotive industry, along with many others. I believe Washington should raise energy research spending to $20 billion a year, from the $4 billion that is spent today. The research could be done at universities, at research labs and even through public-private collaboration. The federal government should also rectify the imbedded tax penalties that favor foreign carmakers.

But don’t ask Washington to give shareholders and bondholders a free pass — they bet on management and they lost.

The American auto industry is vital to our national interest as an employer and as a hub for manufacturing. A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs. It would permit the companies to shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs. The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.

In a managed bankruptcy, the federal government would propel newly competitive and viable automakers, rather than seal their fate with a bailout check.

Despite it be clearly stated above that the federal government would provide support, Obama said in the debate, ““You did not say that you would provide government help.”

“We’re not the only ones that said that’s a lie. What Barack Obama is doing is lying about that. That’s what we said. MSNBC said he has it wrong,” Glenn explained. ” hey’re not saying that he’s lying. They’re just saying he was wrong. He had his facts wrong.”

But even when MSNBC is pointing out his error, Obama decided to double down and told followers yesterday, “If you say that you love American cars during a debate, you’re a car guy. But you wrote an article titled ‘Let Detroit Go Bankrupt’, you definitely have a case of Romnesia.”

“It’s not a fabrication, it’s not misleading. It’s an absolute bald‑face lie,” Pat said
http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/10/24/...-doubles-down/

[Killer]

yeah bubba!


Romney Takes Lead on Economy; White Men are the Movers

The candidates remain essentially tied, with 49 percent of likely voters for Romney, 48 percent for Obama in this poll, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates. That includes vast and sharpening gaps among some groups, with highs for both candidates among core supporters.

One example is white men, in particular those who lack a college degree; almost all of the recent shifts in trust on the economy and perceived economic empathy have occurred in this group. Romney’s support among white men is its highest of the campaign, a 2-1 margin, 65-32 percent..

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...re-the-movers/