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Old 08-05-2006, 02:22 PM   #21
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There's two probs wit that assessment though:

1) It's only been two years, call me back in six.

2) He doesn't act or play like a team player. It is all about him gettin the ball and him gettin the ball in the end zone. You never hear about his ability to play a blockin role or whatever to facilitate a play that does not involve him running downfield in search of a bomb.

He is essentially a mini-TO mixed together wit the antics of a side show clown at the circus. After his temper tantrum in the locker room you could add mental case to that description but we'll just be nice and assume that was just because he was bein beaten by the Steelers. But even so that lil tantrum he threw still shows his lack of team spirit and his lackin in leadership qualities. I say that because the way he acted worked more as a divisive measure in the locker room than a uniting one. Instead of pumpin up the other players to win he had to be restrained. It's a far reach to get motivation to do better when one player starts callin out other as well as coaches (which then breaks the player/coach respectfulness and all hell breaks down) on what they did wrong throughout the first half.



Not true, again here is where the self-centeredness of Chad Johnson shines through. When Hines makes a touchdown he celebrates wit his teammates. He knows that he isn't the only one out there doin a job worth watchin. By celebratin wit other team members he doesn't separate himself from the team of give off the appearance in the slightest sense that he feels his plays are "better" than anyone elses, which thus contributes to a stronger team spirit. This is not so wit CJ. Instead it is always me, me, ME!! Chad would rather stand alone in the end zone untouched by his other teammates dancin like a chicken to celebrate a touchdown than to have to share the spotlight wit anyone else. This gives off the mindset of: "Look at me! Look at me! Look at the great play I did! Look at how great I am and good I am at dancin like a chicken!" Again his actions are more of a clown than of an "elite" wide receiever. If he is so good he would have been in the end zone enough that he wouldn't have to celebrate every touchdown the way he does. The fact that he admits to puttin work into the celebrations he does in the end zone also bodes poorly for the bengals since if Chad is havin to spend even the smallest amount of time thinkin about what he will do when he gets to the end zone he is not fully concentratin on how he can fully help the team succeed on the next play. Even that small distraction on the field durin a play can be enough to keep him from reachin his full potential in aidin the team to success in a drive. In short it equals to this: Hines Ward > Chad Johnson.



Chad hasn't called out any players publically. Why? Because he is too busy talkin about himself and his performance and again how great he is. He refers to Palmer but only in the sense of how Palmer passes to him for touchdowns and celebrations. Otherwise as I said before it is all me, me, ME!!

And yes Ward did holdout for a lil last year. What happened? The Steelers told him if he wants to get paid he has to show up for camp. He did. The Steelers don't settle for self-centeredness and did well to restore Hines's humility and make him remember he is a part of a team. Since then Hines has been the ultimate team player. It is almost never about just him. If Chad Johnson did the same thing the bengals would get down and beg him to stay. God forbid they lose another strong player.

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What an awesome post, Hburg! I wouldn't go so far as to say he is a mini-me of T.O. (YET), but if I was a betting person, I'd say that he has the same imprint "I LOVE ME SOME ME" tattooed on the cheek of his rump.

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LMFAO!!!

I appreciate Chad's skill at his position, but I agree with you - when he has more than 2 seasons under his belt as one of the Top 5 receivers in the AFC, then he has earned that "elite" tag.
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Old 08-05-2006, 02:40 PM   #22
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I wouldn't mind someone with Chad Johnson's skills on the Steelers..but someone with his mental makeup,over-the-top celebrations,and poor team attitude...no thanks.
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Old 08-05-2006, 04:00 PM   #23
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There's two probs wit that assessment though:

1) It's only been two years, call me back in six.

2) He doesn't act or play like a team player. It is all about him gettin the ball and him gettin the ball in the end zone. You never hear about his ability to play a blockin role or whatever to facilitate a play that does not involve him running downfield in search of a bomb.
Very good argument...just a few things I want to tack on.

1) By elite, I don't mean great...I mean one of the best receivers in the league right now, like a top 5 receiver. I would say he's had enough time already to prove that he's a top 5 receiver in the league. I wouldn't call him great yet...if he keeps his pace up for a few more years then we can get into that argument.

2) There's no doubt that Chad may still have a bit of maturing to do, but I think a lot of people would be surprised at how much work he actually puts in. He practices probably harder and longer than any other Bengal player...he even sleeps in the stadium at night. He's always trying to get better...this offseason he's been trying to add a few more pounds of muscle in order to increase his YAC which he thought was poor.

A lot of people may not see it this way, but I believe that a lot of times Chad's antics take the pressure off of the rest of the team. The Bengals have a very young/inexperienced team, by "running his mouth" Chad takes a lot of the attention off of other players and lessens the pressure in a sense. If nothing else, Chad for the most part keeps an upbeat/light-hearted atmosphere in the locker room.

Chad loves the limelight, there's no doubt about that, but just about every team has that brash player like him (i.e. Joey Porter).
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I just read this in an interview with Chad and thought it was funny, here's a segment (the Kansas City part's the best):

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Johnson is a regular on our radio show and it was good to see him. And he didn't disappoint. At the end of his on-air chat with Solomon Wilcots and myself, we started to break down the AFC North, rattling of teams and why they can be successful.

As we ran down the division, Johnson broke it down with us saying, ‘Pittsburgh? Who's that? Ravens? Stop. Browns. Never heard of them!'

Johnson on the new rules to stop excessive celebrations…

'I don't need props. I don't need to get down to the ground. The fans will be my props. Keep listening to me on Sirius. I'll give you clues. Our great fans in Cincinnati will be involved. Damn, I'm saying to much already. I have hundreds of celebrations ready. It's going to be bigger than ever. I'm an entertainer. This isn't the no fun league. It's up to me, (Steve) Smith, and Terrell (Owens) to entertain.

Johnson has a new list of cornerbacks he plans on beating in 2006. And it's a new list with a twist.

'This year we are putting faces on the chart. Yes, faces. Every cornerback I play against will have his picture on the chart. Week 1 it will have Law and Curtain. Yes, Curtain, not Surtain. I'm going to close the curtain on the Chiefs. And I've never really been one to follow Laws.'
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Very good argument...just a few things I want to tack on.

1) By elite, I don't mean great...I mean one of the best receivers in the league right now, like a top 5 receiver. I would say he's had enough time already to prove that he's a top 5 receiver in the league. I wouldn't call him great yet...if he keeps his pace up for a few more years then we can get into that argument.

2) There's no doubt that Chad may still have a bit of maturing to do, but I think a lot of people would be surprised at how much work he actually puts in. He practices probably harder and longer than any other Bengal player...he even sleeps in the stadium at night. He's always trying to get better...this offseason he's been trying to add a few more pounds of muscle in order to increase his YAC which he thought was poor.

A lot of people may not see it this way, but I believe that a lot of times Chad's antics take the pressure off of the rest of the team. The Bengals have a very young/inexperienced team, by "running his mouth" Chad takes a lot of the attention off of other players and lessens the pressure in a sense. If nothing else, Chad for the most part keeps an upbeat/light-hearted atmosphere in the locker room.

Chad loves the limelight, there's no doubt about that, but just about every team has that brash player like him (i.e. Joey Porter).


ummmm ....porter doesn't start fights with the coaches when their gettin their asses whipped.... oops, i forgot that never happend.
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Chad loves the limelight, there's no doubt about that, but just about every team has that brash player like him (i.e. Joey Porter).
Yes, but surely he must be tired of wiping the egg off of his face when he talks the talk but isn't able to walk the walk. He had just a little over 50 yards in the AFC WC Game last season and zero TDs after all of his yapping the prior week. He comes across looking like a buffoon. His teammate who feels he is an expert in shoe shining techniques, T.J. HoushIhavepooinmymouthtoozadeh didn't fare much better at 23 yards in that game, but he did have a TD. The difference is - when Porter mouths off, he usually backs it up with solid physical play.

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Well, I have to give him credit here - he has the Bengals team motto down pat.

(Yes, I know what he meant)
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I just read this in an interview with Chad and thought it was funny, here's a segment (the Kansas City part's the best):
There is no doubt that 85 is a real entertainer, personally I dont put him anywhere near T.O. as far as negative influences go.

Im glad he's not a Patriots though - for all his talent he really knows how to put a bullseye on himself, and as a result his own team.

I honestly believe that his trash talking, even done in good humor, really does give opposing defenses a little something extra when they take the field.

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for all his talent he really knows how to put a bullseye on himself, and as a result his own team.

I honestly believe that his trash talking, even done in good humor, really does give opposing defenses a little something extra when they take the field.

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Come on, Can't Stop....you know that there are many Cincy fans that even feel this way....probably a majority.
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I'm already looking at week 3, and the excuse that CJ will come up with after Ike shuts him down. Again.
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As far as I can tell CJ is not even the best reciever on the bengals.
It seems like every time we play them Houshmanzadeh is the one who hurts our secondary
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