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Old 10-23-2012, 03:09 PM   #11
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Default Re: Offensive line for the future taking shape?

Coaching is going to be a key ingredient into making it happen. I think Gilbert will far much better on the left side due to size and more of a wider body that can shield off an edge rusher with help from a mauler like Colon at RG to make the transition.

Remember, Starks lost his job at RT some years ago, only to go in place of Marvel Smith at LT and the rest is history. Starks struggled at times at RT and fared much, much better on the leftside. Like I said, Gilbert and Starks pretty much mirror each other with size and skill set.

Not sure if Kugler is up for the challenge, however. We'll see who can take on the task if Kugler even survives another year but I'm liking that combination more and more off of the potential alone.
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Old 10-23-2012, 04:15 PM   #12
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Im not sold on Gilbert as of yet....
Me too. Huge but immobile. Hurts teammates. Bad combo.
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Me too. Huge but immobile. Hurts teammates. Bad combo.
Aside from the hurting teammates part, he sounds & looks like Max Starks.

Big: check
Out of shape: check
Slow: check
Early trouble at RT: check
Florida Gator: check
Called "soft": check

Woo-ha!!! We just found our next LT!!!

Seriously, Starks was crud at RT... and then did really well at LT. And, I see the same person in Gilbert.
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Default Re: Offensive line for the future taking shape?

That's the parallel I was trying to make, tee. Hitman-Gilbert obviously would need major work in the off-season, but Adams has shown he doesn't have the punch to go up against the best rushers first step on the blind-side. I think with Gilbert longing to play LT and if Adams shows promise at RT, it could indeed work out for us in the short and long term.
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Old 10-23-2012, 05:16 PM   #15
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Adams did fine, but still shows lack of strength and technique IMO. He sets up too high and catches the pass rusher, rather than punch the defender to keep him at distance and shock them. He ends up getting walked back into the pocket or the rusher gets his hands on the shoulder pads to rip or arm-over.

I like the progress with Adams and always said he needs to apprentice on the right side, get stronger and more consistent in his technique. His run blocking is good as long as he gets low enough. I'm pleased going forward as long as they can lock down Pouncey to a longer contract. He, DeCastro, Adams, Gilbert and Colon can be a solid young line. Foster Beechum and Legursky can be good utility guys also.
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Aside from the hurting teammates part, he sounds & looks like Max Starks.

Big: check
Out of shape: check
Slow: check
Early trouble at RT: check
Florida Gator: check
Called "soft": check

Woo-ha!!! We just found our next LT!!!

Seriously, Starks was crud at RT... and then did really well at LT. And, I see the same person in Gilbert.
I disagree with most of this post. Max Starks was a good RT, but struggled initially at LT and now is adequate, but inconsistent.

Gilbert is much more athletic than Starks. If you watched him as a rookie vs Trent Cole then you would see how quick his feet are. Gilbert is potentially a better LT than Adams, but Gilbert being the stronger run blocker would normally lead to him playing RT.

I think those are 2 good young OT's that will develop to be really good linemen in another year.
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I'm pleased going forward as long as they can lock down Pouncey to a longer contract. He, DeCastro, Adams, Gilbert and Colon can be a solid young line. Foster Beechum and Legursky can be good utility guys also.
that outlook is so bright, i gotta wear shades.

its noteworthy that teams like the texans and 49ers have spent many years, losing seasons, and drafting inside the top 10 to build up their offensive lines, but once they gelled and gained experience look how good they are.

we are kinda going through the same rebuilding process w/o the pains of sucking and multiple losing seasons. sure we have suffered some bad line play, but in about 3 years WATCH OUT!
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that outlook is so bright, i gotta wear shades.

its noteworthy that teams like the texans and 49ers have spent many years, losing seasons, and drafting inside the top 10 to build up their offensive lines, but once they gelled and gained experience look how good they are.

we are kinda going through the same rebuilding process w/o the pains of sucking and multiple losing seasons. sure we have suffered some bad line play, but in about 3 years WATCH OUT!
The49ers had Joe Staley and when they drafted Iupati and Young the sane year it took until their 2nd season to start noticing that mauling line. I hope that happens here in year two of our top picks.

IMO, the Texans benefitted from having Winston and Brown, but more Alex Gibbs teaching his zone block scheme.
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I disagree with most of this post. Max Starks was a good RT, but struggled initially at LT and now is adequate, but inconsistent.

Gilbert is much more athletic than Starks. If you watched him as a rookie vs Trent Cole then you would see how quick his feet are. Gilbert is potentially a better LT than Adams, but Gilbert being the stronger run blocker would normally lead to him playing RT.

I think those are 2 good young OT's that will develop to be really good linemen in another year.
I will defer to you, as you know far more about OL play & technique than I do.

That said, I do indeed remember Starks struggling (& being benched) as the RT. Stainless remembers it that way, as well...
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that outlook is so bright, i gotta wear shades.
DD... Pouncey... are amazing... and under 23 years old. Heck, The Colon is only 27.

You nailed it: the future looks awesome!!!
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