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Old 11-25-2012, 06:57 PM   #11
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plus cowher won one with tomlins players...
He still had to coach his players to get to the ultimate game. Football players turn the ball over, not the football coaches.

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Old 11-25-2012, 07:09 PM   #12
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Even without the four fumbles they still would have lost. The fact is the Steelers (Tomlin being the HC) never seem to have a gameplan to defeat bad opponents. Oakland, Tennessee, Cleveland, almost KC. All we hear are excuses that bad teams step up their game against the Steelers like it's some honor to play them. I'm sure those same teams step up their game against New England and New England still destroys them!
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:14 PM   #13
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Even without the four fumbles they still would have lost. The fact is the Steelers (Tomlin being the HC) never seem to have a gameplan to defeat bad opponents. Oakland, Tennessee, Cleveland, almost KC. All we hear are excuses that bad teams step up their game against the Steelers like it's some honor to play them. I'm sure those same teams step up their game against New England and New England still destroys them!
I'd have to disagree. With the running backs all fumbling, that put too much pressure on Batch. I think it was too much for a back up to handle against such a good, young, aggressive defense.

If we had a strong physical running game, Batch would have had more opportunity to work a short passing game.
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Even without the four fumbles they still would have lost. The fact is the Steelers (Tomlin being the HC) never seem to have a gameplan to defeat bad opponents. Oakland, Tennessee, Cleveland, almost KC. All we hear are excuses that bad teams step up their game against the Steelers like it's some honor to play them. I'm sure those same teams step up their game against New England and New England still destroys them!
Oh psychic one, knower of all that will happen, you foresaw a loss without 8 turnovers, can you give me the winning powerball numbers now.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:20 PM   #15
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Oh psychic one, knower of all that will happen, you foresaw a loss without 8 turnovers, can you give me the winning powerball numbers now.
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Even without the four fumbles they still would have lost. The fact is the Steelers (Tomlin being the HC) never seem to have a gameplan to defeat bad opponents. Oakland, Tennessee, Cleveland, almost KC. All we hear are excuses that bad teams step up their game against the Steelers like it's some honor to play them. I'm sure those same teams step up their game against New England and New England still destroys them!
While I don't agree with you that without the fumbles we would have lost today, I do agree with you that I am tired of the argument:

EVERY TEAM GEARS UP TO PLAY THE STEELERS

Okay. These same teams still find ways to get blown out by the Patriots, Packers and other elite teams. Why do the Steelers struggle?

Since the Chiefs had the Steelers on the brink of defeat, their last two games they have lost combined 15-45. One of the excuses I heard at half time of the Steeler game was that the "Chiefs are playing for their coach".... what? I am sure their players know that Crennel is not a good HC and no matter what, he is gone after this season. They weren't playing for their coach. They were taking it to the Steelers and someone posted that so that they felt better about what was happening to the Steelers.

It seems sometimes that reality escapes the faithful.
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Although I think the OP is a little over-the-top in his assessment of Tomlin, I do have my doubts.

I've contended that Tomlin, being a players coach, will have trouble winning consistently. He will have guys that want to play for him, and will generally build a winning team. A players coach will win with great players. He can feed their egos and keep the machine running. But, without those players & when times are tough, the team will look to him for leadership & direction & he may not be able to provide it.

Belichick, Coughlin, Parcells and the like are not always popular with the players or media but when the going gets tough, their players (even the backups) are able to overcome. Mike needs to change his approach. When he makes a threat, such as in 2009 (when he threatened that some of the starters would get benched) and then doesn't follow through, the team begins to lose faith in crunch time.

I want Mike to coach the Steelers, and I think that he can be one of the greats, but I think he needs to get tougher on the team & MEAN IT!!
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The problem with Tomlin is he doesn't seem to correct on the fly. When this team struggles,Tomlin doesn't adjust
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The problem with Tomlin is he doesn't seem to correct on the fly. When this team struggles,Tomlin doesn't adjust
I think that started well before Tomlin was coach. It seemed that Cowher teams struggled to adjust as well. Usually at halftime they were able to turn it around and same goes for Tomlin. It seems that maybe they are unwilling to adjust on the fly and would rather stick to their plans until they can look at some film or something.

I don't know, but they were both able to win consistently. I will still stick with Tomlin as my coach and see how he handles the current situation. That will be more telling than a loss to the Browns, even though it is the Browns and does suck.
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