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Old 12-11-2012, 03:38 PM   #51
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His deep balls aren't good? What have you been watching the last several years?
Ben often throws too late or puts too much air under his long ball. I've seen it countless times.
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Ben often throws too late or puts too much air under his long ball. I've seen it countless times.
Every time it goes deep, you know it';s going to be caught. Thoroughly depressing, we have two burners one who is extremely fast and we never land a bomb downfield.

When it's on target (rare) Wallace drops it.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:48 PM   #53
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Ben often throws too late or puts too much air under his long ball. I've seen it countless times.
Okay then....


Anyways, this "spread the ball" offense has totally backfired on the Steelers. Instead of getting the ball into the hands of the best playmakers, they pretend as if the marginal players must play key roles. As a result, the playmakers themselves look marginal because they are under-used. Instead of trying to retard Ben, they should build the offense around him. I would say fire Haley, but since Art Rooney's been getting too involved in football operations I'm not sure that would make a difference. Considering that Haley built an offense around Warner in Arizona, that really leads me to believe he is not in full control of things.
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Old 12-11-2012, 04:04 PM   #54
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Ben often throws too late or puts too much air under his long ball. I've seen it countless times.
I agree.

I like 95% of what BB does, but his deep ball just never seems to hit the WRs in stride.

And, as someone else pointed out, it wouldn't matter, because Walalce will drop it anyway.
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Old 12-11-2012, 04:06 PM   #55
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I'm not seeing how this offense is better than the one last year. They are 20th or something around that in scoring and have only hit the 30 point mark once. It hasn't kept Ben healthy. And frankly, I see some similar bone-headed plays that Arians got crucified for.

Ben is a top five QB (yes, I know some of you hate hearing that), but this offense is designed to make him more of a game manager. Would anyone think holding back Manning, Brady, Rodgers, or Brees makes sense? Yet in Pittsburgh, the star QB has to be "put in his place" because "he only cares about his stats," or they want to see an out-dated style of football.

You guys want the offense to score points like the Patriots and Packers? Guess what, dink-and-dunk isn't going to do that. The Steelers are still of the mentality that time of possession is the be all end all, and they need to get out of it. They have the weapons to be a downfield passing team, yet they don't want to do that. Why? Haley sure wasn't scared about going downfield in Arizona. Perhaps Art has too much say in the offense. Regardless, if the Steelers don't start playing to their strengths then they won't be better than 20th in scoring. The offense is also hurting by the lack of turnovers generated by the defense and the complete and utter embarrassment that is the Steelers special teams. The Steelers need more points faster, not more time of possession.

In the latter part of the 70's dynasty, the Steelers went from a run heavy, defensive team to a pass heavy, high-scoring offensive team. Did yinzer nation get all up in arms when that dynasty won two more super bowls playing that way? Did Art Rooney Sr. go on media tours proclaiming a return to a ground-heavy attack? Steeler fans, learn from your history. Don't cover it up over some misguided notion that you don't want Ben on a pedestal.
The Patriots and Packers are both dink and dunk.
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The Patriots and Packers are both dink and dunk.
They actually make down field plays though and don't sweat over time of possession. If the Steelers actually make down field plays then maybe dink-and-dunk can be justified to lul in a defense. But they don't even do that. They just want to play an out-dated style of football and turn their QB into Mike Tomzack.
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pretty small body of work to go by compared to your familiarity with Arians. IMO - Arians is benefiting from a great QB. A lot of those come from behind plays are, wait for it - great improv by Luck and Wayne.

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They actually make down field plays though and don't sweat over time of possession. If the Steelers actually make down field plays then maybe dink-and-dunk can be justified to lul in a defense. But they don't even do that. They just want to play an out-dated style of football and turn their QB into Mike Tomzack.

thats true. Brady made at least 3 very long down-the-field bombs that i can think of immediately from last nights game.
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Old 12-11-2012, 04:36 PM   #59
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yea, seriously - Haley and Ben's time together amounts to 9.5 games. Not sure how you can compare that to 5 seasons under Arians.

Yea, I said it - Arians is being carried, once again. When the predictability settles in after defenses figure it out, he'll be shit canned once again. I'm glad you like him and all, but the guy isn't very likable. What happens when the whole "let's rally behind cancer" dies - no pun intended - out?

Who called him Father Flanagan? Hilarious shit.
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yea, seriously - Haley and Ben's time together amounts to 9.5 games. Not sure how you can compare that to 5 seasons under Arians.

Yea, I said it - Arians is being carried, once again. When the predictability settles in after defenses figure it out, he'll be shit canned once again. I'm glad you like him and all, but the guy isn't very likable. What happens when the whole "let's rally behind cancer" dies - no pun intended - out?

Who called him Father Flanagan? Hilarious shit.
Well... When Arians took over as OC in 2007, he (and Ben) had 9 wins at the same time of year that Arians has 9 wins now with Indy.

That's pretty consistent.
Or was Ben "carrying" BA in 2007?

Or could it be that Arians just knows how to get the most out of a QB?
Maybe BECAUSE the Father Flanagan thing works better?

Just spitballin'...
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