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Old 12-11-2012, 03:23 PM   #41
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Oh, it is a significant part of it. He gets out kicked by 15-20 yards every stinking exchange of possession.
It's a problem, but I'd be more concerned about lack of turnovers forced by the defense, and I'd be REALLY more concerned about how much of a joke special teams is.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:28 PM   #42
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Oh, it is a significant part of it. He gets out kicked by 15-20 yards every stinking exchange of possession.
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No. It's not.
Butler is averaging i believe 43 point something a kick this year and netting out at 38. The league leaders are at 48-ish and netting around 41. Thats a 3-yard difference from the leaders.
If what you said was true - Butler would be punting 28 yard punts all the time. Which he doesn't. Nobody in the NFL is getting "out-kicked" by 15 or 20 yards.

We're losing the field position battle because our offense isn't moving the ball anymore and we're STARTING beginning of games punting deep inside our own territory (at times even deeper - because we're also committing our most costly penalties while deep in our own territory). This has directly led to extremely poor field position. What makes it worse is the fact its happening at the beginning. So our "poor field position" continues and its like being in quicksand. Very hard to get out of - unless you're moving the ball consistently, of course - which we're not doing.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:45 PM   #43
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Old 12-11-2012, 04:02 PM   #44
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Oh, it is a significant part of it. He gets out kicked by 15-20 yards every stinking exchange of possession.
We're currently 27th in punting avg with 43.6 yards That's says it all.
Oh and since we let the opponent return the punt 11 yds on avg., that's a net 32.6 yds.
Pretty lousy if you ask me.
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Old 12-11-2012, 04:17 PM   #45
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Hines Ward thinks what is lacking is leadership on offense

'The year we won a Super Bowl, we had to win the last four games to make the playoffs, and then we went in as one of the hottest teams,” Ward said in an interview. “They have a lot of guys on the defensive side that experienced that. I don’t think many on the offense — other than Heath Miller and Ben — have. You would think Ben would be the natural leader, but he’s been injured. Who else is in the huddle that if something goes bad, who is the calm before the storm? That plays a major factor.

“I look at the defensive side, they have a nice mix of young and veteran guys. You look at the offensive side of the ball, I don’t see the cohesiveness of the group. When I was there, Kordell Stewart, Jerome Bettis, those were the guys in the huddle. Then it was myself, Alan Faneca — we had a nice nucleus of guys in there who guys could lean on, don’t hit the panic button. I don’t see that balance like I see on the defensive side.”


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Well now Ben is back - sounds like Hines thinks Ben will need to lead the way
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Old 12-11-2012, 04:29 PM   #46
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That sounds great, but honestly I watch a lot of NFL games and I don't see too many coaches doing what you describe.
Belichick does it, Coughlin does it, Shanahan does it. Parcells did it. They hold their players accountable, openly.
I'm kinda sick of hearing Tomlin say, "we're cool, we're cool, we're cool" after a mishap.
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Hines Ward thinks what is lacking is leadership on offense

'The year we won a Super Bowl, we had to win the last four games to make the playoffs, and then we went in as one of the hottest teams,” Ward said in an interview. “They have a lot of guys on the defensive side that experienced that. I don’t think many on the offense — other than Heath Miller and Ben — have. You would think Ben would be the natural leader, but he’s been injured. Who else is in the huddle that if something goes bad, who is the calm before the storm? That plays a major factor.

“I look at the defensive side, they have a nice mix of young and veteran guys. You look at the offensive side of the ball, I don’t see the cohesiveness of the group. When I was there, Kordell Stewart, Jerome Bettis, those were the guys in the huddle. Then it was myself, Alan Faneca — we had a nice nucleus of guys in there who guys could lean on, don’t hit the panic button. I don’t see that balance like I see on the defensive side.”


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Well now Ben is back - sounds like Hines thinks Ben will need to lead the way
i agree with HInes to a degree - but what i'd really like to see on this team is that big-time "leader of men" leader on the defense. We don't have it - period.
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Old 12-11-2012, 04:31 PM   #48
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We're currently 27th in punting avg with 43.6 yards That's says it all.
Oh and since we let the opponent return the punt 11 yds on avg., that's a net 32.6 yds.
Pretty lousy if you ask me.
oh yeah - that too. Add that point to my above points - and there you have it. It equals LOUSY field position.......almost all the time. It's not the punter himself. He's fine.
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We are lacking in a few areas, but one thing for sure. Being a Steelers fan from the 70's. I am just not used of seeing pretty much zero pass rush. If its one thing the Steelers always had was a bad ass defense, and a mean pass rush. Knocking QB's out left and right. Pass rush is pretty much non-existent right now. Unless we overload the line. Only then we have a slight chance of getting to the QB. Lack of interceptions and takeaways is killing us too.
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We are lacking in a few areas, but one thing for sure. Being a Steelers fan from the 70's. I am just not used of seeing pretty much zero pass rush. If its one thing the Steelers always had was a bad ass defense, and a mean pass rush. Knocking QB's out left and right. Pass rush is pretty much non-existent right now.


yep. Been a long time since i've seen opposing QB's have so much time back there - almost always.
Rivers was getting the ball - calling in his order for lunch - then calling to check in on his wife - then finally getting around to start looking for a receiver. It was ridiculous.
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