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Old 12-17-2012, 05:03 PM   #61
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Where did the latest nut job get his guns? If only his first victim had been armed....oh, wait.
Where did the last fat guy get his spoon.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:15 PM   #62
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No, thankfully it doesn't.

And as much gasoline as the media pour on this, the sane among us still far outnumber the insane. "The public" are able to discern isolated acts from broad societal problems...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...tural-problem/



Politics will follow. And pols, being the self serving @#$%s they are, won't do anything to cost themselves votes...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ws-in-1-chart/

Surprised you still believe in Gallup after its less than brilliant prognostication during the campaign - anything yet from Unskewed Polls?

As far as polling on the isolated incident question, 20 first graders getting murdered might change that perspective

Majority sees Connecticut shooting as societal problem



http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...c.html?hpid=z1

And you nailed it about politicians not doing anything that will cost them votes - don't assume the demographic that is more inclined to oppose further regulation is the one incumbents are most concerned about anymore - times change

As funerals began in Connecticut on Monday, there was further proof that Friday’s mass shooting has reawakened a long-dormant debate in Washington: whether, and how, to limit assault weapons like the one used by the gunman at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Two prominent Democratic senators — both of whom had won support from gun-rights groups in the past — said the killings had changed long-held positions. Mark R. Warner (D-Va.) and Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said they would be open to greater regulation of assault rifles.


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Old 12-17-2012, 09:05 PM   #63
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You're talking about a mother/son relationship. This guy had obvious mental problems, and was going to do what he was going to do...gun or no gun.

What if he grabbed his mothers kitchen knife? Who would you blame then?
It's interesting that you mention knives, because of course it calls to mind the nutjob in China who attacked a bunch of school kids a few years ago. It was the darling story of the pro-gun lobby for quite a while. "You see! There are sickos in every culture, and they will find a way to kill no matter what!" Except that he didn't kill. All 22 kids survived. Only one survivor from this last attack in Connecticut, by comparison. I wonder why?

Another thing: almost all of these guys do eventually have their kill-sprees stopped by a bullet... their own. I don't remember the last time any of them were stopped by a a bullet from a bystander or cop. The exceptions are when they get gang-tackled while trying to reload. The lesson? Guns are not defensive, judo is.
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The lesson? Guns are not defensive, judo is.
During the entire hellish weekend this was the only moment during the coverage that caused me to laugh

And then there were the scenes of the schoolchildren, helping one another, holding each other, dutifully following instructions in the way that young children sometimes do; one child even trying to encourage a grown-up by saying, "I know karate. So it's okay. I'll lead the way out."

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For all you that want to ban guns have you forgot about the douche bag that killed 168 people with a uhaul truck cow shit and diesel fuel......amazing how no one wants to ban any of that shit no mass shooting has ever killed as many as he did with a damn uhaul.

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..amazing how no one wants to ban any of that shit no mass shooting has ever killed as many as he did with a damn uhaul.

oh please mach....ban uhaul and they'll just use a ryder...

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For all you that want to ban guns have you forgot about the douche bag that killed 168 people with a uhaul truck cow shit and diesel fuel......amazing how no one wants to ban any of that shit no mass shooting has ever killed as many as he did with a damn uhaul.

I'm hoping that no one has forgotten it. My understanding is that the FBI now monitors large purchases of such material. Mind you, manure is a lot more useful and necessary than guns, but no one is crying foul about controlling its sale. No one feels less free because you can't buy forty tons of nitrates without cause or license.

But restrict gun ownership... no, no, no.
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It's interesting that you mention knives, because of course it calls to mind the nutjob in China who attacked a bunch of school kids a few years ago. It was the darling story of the pro-gun lobby for quite a while. "You see! There are sickos in every culture, and they will find a way to kill no matter what!" Except that he didn't kill. All 22 kids survived. Only one survivor from this last attack in Connecticut, by comparison. I wonder why?

Another thing: almost all of these guys do eventually have their kill-sprees stopped by a bullet... their own. I don't remember the last time any of them were stopped by a a bullet from a bystander or cop. The exceptions are when they get gang-tackled while trying to reload. The lesson? Guns are not defensive, judo is.
That wasn't my point...and honestly, I didn't know about the China incident. I was just sayin'.

Like most times, I haven't seen any anti-gun folks bring up a logical solution to the problem that affects our nation. Is it really guns that is the issue? Or could it possibly be our culture? No one seems to want to delve into that, on either side.

There are first world countries that have gun laws comparable to ours, but don't share the crime rate...why is that? Some say it's lack of God in our nation. Do you follow that belief? (I know you don't) What is it then? How do many Nordic countries manage to have a decent balance of gun laws and personal liberty? How are people not oppressed there? What is wrong with our people? It can't be just guns themselves...It's has to be something much deeper.
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That wasn't my point...and honestly, I didn't know about the China incident. I was just sayin'.

Like most times, I haven't seen any anti-gun folks bring up a logical solution to the problem that affects our nation. Is it really guns that is the issue? Or could it possibly be our culture? No one seems to want to delve into that, on either side.

There are first world countries that have gun laws comparable to ours, but don't share the crime rate...why is that? Some say it's lack of God in our nation. Do you follow that belief? (I know you don't) What is it then? How do many Nordic countries manage to have a decent balance of gun laws and personal liberty? How are people not oppressed there? What is wrong with our people? It can't be just guns themselves...It's has to be something much deeper.
Here's what's different:


This is how the gun used in the killings was sold to Americans. This appeal works here. That is what's wrong with our culture. If the problem is about worship, it's gun worship.
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