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Old 12-19-2012, 09:44 PM   #141
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I think it's a little unfair to judge Haley based on the facts that: Ben's skills set as mentioned many times by others, does not lend itself to diagnosing the D and what is given and getting rid of the ball quickly. The receivers have been pretty bad this season. The line that was supposed to be shored up with additions of DeCastro and Adams never was able to due to injuries. So, trying to run the ball with subpar running backs, subpar o line, subpar receivers (this season) a bad defense that makes offense not want to take risks, which of course leads to turnovers as you are confining your efforts and paying too close to the vest. Seriously, it was a shit show this season but Haley would be one of the last to get blame in my book.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:26 PM   #142
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Just watched a recap of Sunday's game on NFL Turning Point and I didn't know that Brandon Carr once played for Haley @ KC.After hearing the converstation and analyzation of the Int in OT, it appears that Carr jumped the play based on his knowledge of Haley's offense. Ben didn't know it but Dal was waiting on that play. Wow!
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Just watched a recap of Sunday's game on NFL Turning Point and I didn't know that Brandon Carr once played for Haley @ KC.After hearing the converstation and analyzation of the Int in OT, it appears that Carr jumped the play based on his knowledge of Haley's offense. Ben didn't know it but Dal was waiting on that play. Wow!
but Haley might have known that, which is why Ben maybe shouldn't have been calling the plays in that situation...
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but Haley might have known that, which is why Ben maybe shouldn't have been calling the plays in that situation...
True dat. Adds a little more perspective for me, to the ending of the game.
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Old 12-20-2012, 12:33 AM   #145
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but Haley might have known that, which is why Ben maybe shouldn't have been calling the plays in that situation...
Hmmm... very interesting point.

That said, I trust BB with the no huddle. As soon as he goes to it, I am 100% convinced that he will lead the team down for a TD.

Maybe I am still stuck in the midst of the ending of SuperBowl XLIII, but every single time that BB starts a late-game drive, I think: "Sweet!!! Here we go!!!" At the end of XLV, I thought that... until the very last down. And, this past weekend was no different: as soon as they went no huddle in OT, I was like, "Sweet!!! The Steelers got this in the bag!!!"

Maybe I'm ostriching, but I just have blind, unruffable faith that BB will come through... always.
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I have and will be a Ben supporter and defender. His comments from the pre-season when Haley and him were just getting to know each other I felt where more reporter fodder than real news. This last comment while spoken in frustration should of been done in private, not publicly. In this instance Ben was in the wrong, you do not hang out team mates or coaches. The point he apologized earlier in the week speaks that either he came to the same realization or was told by someone he respects/answers to. I am not saying Ben is wrong in what he said or that he does not have input, I am saying he is wrong to "air dirty laundry". This team needs as much team unity as possible. Hopefully this will solidify their working relationship and bring some consistency to this offense. I still think a balanced offense is more potent than pass happy or run dependent teams. Times have changed though and a balanced offense does not mean 50-50 today, more along the lines of 60-40. I still think that Bellicheks biggest strength as a coach is once he finds a weakness or finds he has an advantage somewhere, he keeps exploiting that advantage until you do something to negate that advantage. Other coaches seem to try and overthink by saying lets "mix it up". I think that if the passing game is clicking then keep the pedal pushed, and vice versa if the running game is working then by all means do not quit pounding the rock. I also still think we are just not strong enough up front or talented enough at RB to have a good running game yet.
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I think it's a little unfair to judge Haley based on the facts that: Ben's skills set as mentioned many times by others, does not lend itself to diagnosing the D and what is given and getting rid of the ball quickly. The receivers have been pretty bad this season. The line that was supposed to be shored up with additions of DeCastro and Adams never was able to due to injuries. So, trying to run the ball with subpar running backs, subpar o line, subpar receivers (this season) a bad defense that makes offense not want to take risks, which of course leads to turnovers as you are confining your efforts and paying too close to the vest. Seriously, it was a shit show this season but Haley would be one of the last to get blame in my book.
This is a big reason why the team sits at 7-7. They're playing small ball. They're so scared about what "could" happen. Ben "could" get hurt, or the defense "could" give up a big play. So they dumb down their strengths to try and hide their perceived weaknesses.

How many teams have won a super bowl playing scared?
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I have and will be a Ben supporter and defender. His comments from the pre-season when Haley and him were just getting to know each other I felt where more reporter fodder than real news. This last comment while spoken in frustration should of been done in private, not publicly. In this instance Ben was in the wrong, you do not hang out team mates or coaches. The point he apologized earlier in the week speaks that either he came to the same realization or was told by someone he respects/answers to. I am not saying Ben is wrong in what he said or that he does not have input, I am saying he is wrong to "air dirty laundry". This team needs as much team unity as possible. Hopefully this will solidify their working relationship and bring some consistency to this offense. I still think a balanced offense is more potent than pass happy or run dependent teams. Times have changed though and a balanced offense does not mean 50-50 today, more along the lines of 60-40. I still think that Bellicheks biggest strength as a coach is once he finds a weakness or finds he has an advantage somewhere, he keeps exploiting that advantage until you do something to negate that advantage. Other coaches seem to try and overthink by saying lets "mix it up". I think that if the passing game is clicking then keep the pedal pushed, and vice versa if the running game is working then by all means do not quit pounding the rock. I also still think we are just not strong enough up front or talented enough at RB to have a good running game yet.
Ricco, what we see playing out right now is exactly what I was concerned about during the offseason. The media isn't just making stuff up ... there's a problem there. It's been there all along just festering. And despite Ben's apology, I don't think it's over.

Here's what Jerome Bettis had to say about it on Mike and Mike:

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I think as this year goes on, and as the losses start to mount, there's a frustration there that you're going to start to see more and more, so if they can kind of get through and get a couple more wins, I think it can die down, but I think you're going to start to see this, if they can't get to the playoffs, I think it's going to explode right here in the offseason."

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Wallace I know you called this early in the off season and while I will agree this should never have happened on Ben's part, I am not ready to concede that all the crap printed early on was the "smoke before the fire". I still believe the media was on fishing expeditions and while Ben's quotes could be perceived as inflammatory most were nothing more than sound bites and attempts at humor. Even non vocal stories such as Ben had not met with Haley were taken out of context, and most of the printed articles with the emphasis on certain phrases were much worse in print than when listened to by the human ear as spoken. Ben has apologized and I hope this is the end of it, but I am afraid it makes for a dull story line so I expect some more commentary even if nothing else happens.
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Wallace I know you called this early in the off season and while I will agree this should never have happened on Ben's part, I am not ready to concede that all the crap printed early on was the "smoke before the fire". I still believe the media was on fishing expeditions and while Ben's quotes could be perceived as inflammatory most were nothing more than sound bites and attempts at humor. Even non vocal stories such as Ben had not met with Haley were taken out of context, and most of the printed articles with the emphasis on certain phrases were much worse in print than when listened to by the human ear as spoken. Ben has apologized and I hope this is the end of it, but I am afraid it makes for a dull story line so I expect some more commentary even if nothing else happens.
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