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Old 12-19-2012, 08:33 PM   #11
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I was referring to this year and last year. Yes last year we looked good on paper, but they didn't pass the eye test and didn't show up when it mattered most, as MANY on here have already stated before. Then we got kicked out of the playoffs by an 8-8 team with a college level QB. This year we've lost to the Browns, Titans, Raiders, and Chargers, and those are just the scrub teams. That's what I'm talking about. Look at how many of Cowher's players were in there prime in 2008 and still playing at a high level in 2010, now compare them to Cortez Allen, Curtis Brown, Ziggy Hood, Steve McClendon, Jason Worilds, Chris Carter, etc. That is what I'm talking about.
Do you want me to go back and take a look at the Cowher years? That may break your heart. The team's having issues this year and I think that injuries played a major role in it, but we should not read too much into it. And you my friend, need not try to put Bill Cowher and his losing azz on a pedestal. One SB in 15 freaking years, get off the pipe.
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Old 12-19-2012, 08:45 PM   #12
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I don't trust handing the keys over to Ben, we'll have 7 step drops and give 40+ sacks a year. I'm starting to think all the dumbass plays under BA was mostly Ben.

You know what would solve the Ben vs Haley thing. Hold on to the freakin ball. Do that we likely have another three wins and Ben has NOTHING to bitch about. These are two freakin grown men, ultimately it may be Tomlins responsibility, but he shouldn't have to solve this.

And I could not disagree more that the star holds all the cards. If that is how it is, that is what is wrong. No one should be bigger than the team. Allowing players to feel they are bigger than the team is exactly why you have discipline problems, which is a large percentage of what is happening now. Players play and coaches coach.
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Old 12-19-2012, 09:11 PM   #13
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I don't trust handing the keys over to Ben, we'll have 7 step drops and give 40+ sacks a year. I'm starting to think all the dumbass plays under BA was mostly Ben.
I'm no fan of Brucie, but you gotta admit that Andrew luck is also making lots of plays in the Arians offense.
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Old 12-19-2012, 09:37 PM   #14
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Tomlin needs to go, but I don't know who ya replace him with, not sure there is anyone any better out there so what do ya do.
the one thing that you don't see with Tomlin is emotion, just kinda stands there with the dazed look on his face.

Cowher gave ya emotion, right or wrong. I don't know if nfl players need a rah rah coach and I know all cowhers years were'nt great either but he al least made it look like he was in the game, Tomlin just does'nt show me that. Never have been a fan of M T.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:54 PM   #15
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Do you want me to go back and take a look at the Cowher years? That may break your heart. The team's having issues this year and I think that injuries played a major role in it, but we should not read too much into it. And you my friend, need not try to put Bill Cowher and his losing azz on a pedestal. One SB in 15 freaking years, get off the pipe.
Not going to break my heart. Cowher had bad QB's, by far the most important position in football. Once he got a real QB he went 15-1 then won the SB next year. Actually it makes me happy to remember how well he did with a real QB and thinking of the heart he brought to the field. I do agree injuries have definitely held us back, but where not the only injured team.
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the standard is the standard, unleash hell, yeah whatever mike, i'll believe it when i see it
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Not going to break my heart. Cowher had bad QB's, by far the most important position in football. Once he got a real QB he went 15-1 then won the SB next year. Actually it makes me happy to remember how well he did with a real QB and thinking of the heart he brought to the field. I do agree injuries have definitely held us back, but where not the only injured team.
As someone asked in another thread: Did Cowher not want an elite QB?

He passed on Drew Brees, and he did not want BB (Dan Rooney had to convince Cowher to take BB... and even then, until Tommy Maddox got hurt, Cowher was NOT going to play him).

It's an interesting question/point. Maybe Cowher's mentality was: run, play great defense... and in the words of Jack Lambert: "Put the QBs in skirts."
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I'm no fan of Brucie, but you gotta admit that Andrew luck is also making lots of plays in the Arians offense.
Actually, not lately he isn't. The longer Arians has been in charge the worse Luck's numbers have become....look it up.
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Seriously, what the fuck is up with you people? Tomlin is one of the winningest coaches in recent memory, and all you can do is bitch about him. He has his flaws, but so did Lombardi and Madden.

What's the beef? I want one logical answer to this question, but I probably won't.
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I'm no fan of Brucie, but you gotta admit that Andrew luck is also making lots of plays in the Arians offense.
A lot of bad ones, too, as evidenced by his position as the 31st rated starting QB in the league.
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