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Old 12-24-2012, 07:32 AM   #11
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Default Re: Why did we go 1-5 down the stretch?

Haley looked like a genius before Ben got hurt. He was never the same after that. MVP season before that fateful night against the Chiefs.
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Old 12-24-2012, 07:35 AM   #12
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Because Haley sucks, that's why.

Bland, boring predictable offense.

No wonder Ben said fuck it, I'll just stay home and play with the baby.
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Old 12-24-2012, 07:36 AM   #13
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Default Re: Why did we go 1-5 down the stretch?

Ben should of never played against the Bolts, he wasn't close to being ready.
I'm not sold with the O-line either, I doubt the strength of it if they were 110% ready.
Barry Sanders would have a tough time getting out of the back field with the way our line gets beat.
Dink&Dunk was working.
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Old 12-24-2012, 07:36 AM   #14
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Default Re: Why did we go 1-5 down the stretch?

wow..........so many reason's why......

1. Execution. Can't score. Can't cause turnovers. Drop ball after ball. Etc.
I'm tired of "field goals". How frustrating is it when you watch NE, GB, Seattle, even Indy, and a whole host of other teams score TD after TD after TD - yet we completely freeze in the red zone.

2. Field position battle. We're a constant loser here. How many times during that stretch of games did we punt from inside our own 10?? Yeah - too many times to count.

3. No pressure on opposing QB's. Equally frustrating in the last 3 weeks (and farther back too) to watch Rivers, Romo, and now Dalton have ALL day and then some to just stand back there, think, and throw. Opposing QB's can snap the ball, eat a lunch, call home and check up on their girlfriends or wives, then decide where to throw the ball. Its ridiculous. What happened to the pass rush?

4. Lackluster attitude. Hey, where's Greg Lloyd or Joey Porter when you need them? What do you think they would have done on the sidelines in the last few weeks?
The guys look "half-dead" out there, no fire, little passion. In fact, someone pointed out last week at the Dallas game that during a quarter change-over, the Cowboys were hustling and running down to their end, while our guys were walking real slow, laughing with each other, etc Nice.
The team needs a LEADER OF MEN. A Ray Lewis, a Greg Lloyd, something. I'd like to see them draft a leader, a man's man, somewhere in the draft next year. There are rookies in this league on other teams who are "leading" better than our veteran's.

And poor coaching decisions, and poor special teams play, and stupid penalties, and on, and on, and on, and on. Many reasons why.
Tomlin has a HUGE job this offseason to try and right the ship.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:03 AM   #15
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Great QB play covers a multitude of sins. Everything you described was also there when we were 6-3.
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if some of you people want to throw blame "only at the QB", try putting either Tom Brady or Peyton Manning behind our complete dogs**t offensive line. If Mr. Brady was playing for us yesterday, it would have been same result, probably worse. He's worse under pressure than Ben is. Those guys have all day and then some back there to do basically anything they want to do.
As bad as the "QB-ing" was yesterday - the OL was 3X worse. They were getting their doors blown off. Getting completely mowed down. DeCastro got used like a rubber in particular. I'm hoping he was just favoring his past injury and will improve - i'm sure he will.
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Ben played poorly, there's no question about that.

But as for who to blame, I put it all on Haley and Tomlin.
When Haley was hired, I said that the worst thing he could do would be to try to turn Ben into a pocket passer or some type of game-manager and that's exactly what he did and Tomlin did little to stop it from happening.

Arians saw in Ben what many people see which is a player who actually prefers to improvise and who plays better when there's no specific plan. He knew that Ben sees the field better when he steps out of the pocket and he allowed him to do that, which is why Arians was often criticized for not seeming to have much of a game plan at all.

But Arians knew that if he tried to keep Ben home, he would lose his creativity and his spontaneity and become a rather boring player and that's exactly what's happened under Haley. That's why Andrew Luck is doing so well because in many ways he's a lot like Ben in that he also likes to "make it up as he goes" and he's had tremendous success in doing just that.

Some QB's are meant to be managed but every now and then a guy comes along who does his best work without a script and Ben is one of those guys. Arians knew it and didn't so much try to game-plan as much as he simply tried to let Ben be Ben.
Haley is too controlling and wants everything to be "his" way and Ben (along with the team) has suffered as a result.
Not Really.

Ben was on pace for his best season yet before the freak shoulder injury put a stop to that. He was so good it would've easily put him in MVP consideration. He came back and he wasn't the same player.

Poor Gameplanning is also another thing. The Offense fell back into bad habits instead of doing what worked out so well. A Quick Passing Game to get Ben hot and letting the Running Game develop as the game went on. Near the end of the year we kept forcing the run and we did "Let Ben be Ben" and lo and behold, he started playing like crap. He was taken off the leash and we paid for it. Ben went from "Plan Early" straight to "Sandlot". His Smart Play disappeared and Bonehead Ben returned.

Ben running all over the place and the offense getting nowhere. BTW, "Successful" Andy Luck is having quite the mediocre season, and more mediocrity is coming his way if it continues.

Not to mention the lackluster effort by the WR core with their misplays, dropped passes, fumbles, and being out of position resulting in interceptions.
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As bad as the "QB-ing" was yesterday - the OL was 3X worse. They were getting their doors blown off. Getting completely mowed down. DeCastro got used like a rubber in particular. I'm hoping he was just favoring his past injury and will improve - i'm sure he will.
And what do you do when your O-Line is questionable and struggling? You call a quick passing game to keep the Defense on it's heels and take pressure off the Line, just like how the Steelers did so well earlier this year. Why did we go away from what worked? Of course, Haley pulled his own Arians and like clockwork, the Offense fell apart.

It is said that remnants of Arians still exist in this Offense, and Yesterday showed that.
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Our Offense is based on run on first and second down, now it's 3rd and 9 and Ben after avoiding the first couple of would be tacklers heaves the ball downfield. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. This isn't a way to run an NFL offense.
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Lack of discipline on special teams, lack of depth, poor QB play in clutch moments, lack of turnover creation, too many turnovers.
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