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Old 12-29-2012, 01:33 PM   #31
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And while we are at it, let's sign Dennis Allen, and then maybe he will win with "Tomlin's players."
Or Gruden he won with Dungys players. To be honest though Gruden seems to be a pretty good coach, would not take long for him to be a goat here.
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:35 PM   #32
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Guys, I remember the 80's...we didn't have a 100 million dollar qb then (ok...no 50 million dollar guy at those rates) so losing with Stoudt/Malone etc was not unexpected..

Losing with Kent Graham and Mike Tomczak was easier

Kordell's loss in AFC Champ game was tough...and hey, he was benched into 3rd game the next year...Ben is turning out to be the gift that keeps on giving...One SB win btw.. in Cowher's only SB win, Ben threw for 109 yards...Randle El threw that TD to Ward as you all know...

Ben is overrated...he is good, competitive and tough, but not great....I know, it's tough to swallow, but it ought not to be
Lets be honest you love Flacco.
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Old 12-29-2012, 02:04 PM   #33
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The Denver game was another example of of the " young money crew" disappearing act and Demaryius Thomas ( a true number 1 ) stepping up when needed.

Thomas has shown up with 2 different qb's 2 different systems and a big game on the line.
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Old 12-29-2012, 02:18 PM   #34
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One SB win btw.. in Cowher's only SB win, Ben threw for 109 yards...Randle El threw that TD to Ward as you all know...
One Super Bowl win? What?

Plus, he threw for 123 yards in XL if we're gonna nit-pick stats from years ago.

And we totally wouldn't have been in that game to begin with if Ben didn't tear it up in the three playoff games that proceeded that Super Bowl.

But yeah I guess since we missed the playoffs this year he's killing the franchise. Frankly I wish we didn't draft him in '04 and just rode Tommy Maddox out until the end.
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Old 12-29-2012, 02:20 PM   #35
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I may be fuzzy about that playoff game but i think the pass defense may have had something to do with that game. Tebow 10 completions and 316 yards. Seems to me they gave up the big play big time to a QB that struggled most of the year to put up points, and we gave up 29. But by all means put it all on Ben and Tomlin. It fits your train of thought. if your thoughts was a train wreck.
Well I know SteelerJay is trolling but to play Devil's Advocate for a minute, Ben does deserve some blame for that Tebow loss. Certainly not all the blame like he deserves for SB45 or this recent loss to the Bengals, but some of the blame.
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Top ten reasons why Ben failed to get it done: note, it's never Ben's fault

10) The OC sucks...play calling was bad

9) The receivers could not get open

8) The Head Coach sucks

7) No running game or capable running backs

6) Offensive line can't block for beans

5) Defense can't get off the field on 3rd down

4) RB failed to pick up block

3) The special teams were poor

2) Receivers dropped passes

1) The QB was rusty, he didn't get enough reps during the week as he was hurt
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Let's let the attention ***** get his 15 minutes and laugh it off. It's ok, though, all fanbases have it's fair share of morons.
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Top ten reasons why Ben failed to get it done: note, it's never Ben's fault

10) The OC sucks...play calling was bad

9) The receivers could not get open

8) The Head Coach sucks

7) No running game or capable running backs

6) Offensive line can't block for beans

5) Defense can't get off the field on 3rd down

4) RB failed to pick up block

3) The special teams were poor

2) Receivers dropped passes

1) The QB was rusty, he didn't get enough reps during the week as he was hurt
I would say other than numbers 1 and 5 you are pretty much right.
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When we drafted Ben back in 2004, the buzz around town was that one day he might lead the Steelers to a Super Bowl. After 25 years of not being in one, just the the thought of the Steelers actually playing in another one was almost too much to dream. The fact that Ben has led us to 3 Super Bowls, winning 2 of them was beyond our wildest dreams back in 2004.
He has the 2nd highest winning pct. in NFL playoff history, trailing only Bart Starr. Yet there is people actually saying that he should be benched so Charlie Batch or Byron Leftwich can take over?
Remember that the Steelers made it to the Jan 96 Super Bowl, but we tend to forget that one. :)

But for sure, how can people forget the three decades of journeymen QBs that have dropped by to stink up Three Rivers Stadium? Since Ben arrived, we've had a top tier QB, and we're always a potential contender. Now he's in his prime. It doesn't get better than this on the QB front.
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Top ten reasons why Ben failed to get it done: note, it's never Ben's fault

10) The OC sucks...play calling was bad

9) The receivers could not get open

8) The Head Coach sucks

7) No running game or capable running backs

6) Offensive line can't block for beans

5) Defense can't get off the field on 3rd down

4) RB failed to pick up block

3) The special teams were poor

2) Receivers dropped passes

1) The QB was rusty, he didn't get enough reps during the week as he was hurt
Dude, you don't seem to get it. Everybody concedes that missing the 2012 playoffs is all Ben's fault. But what everyone is saying is that doesn't equate to "killing the franchise." In fact, to have a coach/QB foundation like Tomlin/Ben is a great thing. There's only a few teams that have a coach/QB tandem that are on the same page, have had success, and are respected by the rest of the team in both victory and defeat. The Patriots, Saints, Giants, and Packers are like the only other teams that have that.

Tough season, dude. But get over it and move on. You wouldn't last a day as a Dolphins fan or something like that. You'd cry yourself to sleep.
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