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Old 12-31-2012, 10:26 PM   #111
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Or maybe it would suggest there are bigger problems on the team....
Well, lets see whats been the same the last few years.

Offensive line blows my rear end

Tomlin never plays to blow out any teams, EVER.

Our running backs suck

Our defense is number 1 in the league

Ben misses 3 games a year because he still hasn't realized he is human and it will be sooner he turns into Jim Otto after his career is over.

Things that changed:

Mike Wallace turning into a cancer. Mendy officially becoming what most of us realized he would turn into, which is an underachieving Osama ball gargler.
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Well, lets see whats been the same the last few years.

Offensive line blows my rear end
Hopefully they can resign Starks - he was the rock of that line this season

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Tomlin never plays to blow out any teams, EVER.
That's what happens when you're obsessed with ball-control.

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Our running backs suck
Makes you wonder, after Artie made it clear he wanted emphasis on the running game, and with Mendenhall still recovering, why the Steelers didn't go after guys like Brandon Jacobs or Michael Bush for one year.

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Our defense is number 1 in the league
Stat Curtain. Needs to make more splash plays. More turnovers and more sacks.

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Ben misses 3 games a year because he still hasn't realized he is human and it will be sooner he turns into Jim Otto after his career is over.
He was doing what Artie wanted him to before the injury. Maybe WRs gotta get open, and maybe the line has to block better.

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Things that changed:

Mike Wallace turning into a cancer. Mendy officially becoming what most of us realized he would turn into, which is an underachieving Osama ball gargler.
I won't argue that Wallace was or wasn't a distraction, but he still did better than Brown and Sanders this season.

As for Mendenhall, that guy just wants out of Pittsburgh. There's no love lost between him and Tomlin.
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:29 AM   #113
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I don't know, maybe if he played for an actual owner who did not want Steeler offense.

How bout Luck had 627 attempts and the most Ben has had ever was 513.
How bout luck has 7 yd per attempt ratio, and Ben has 7.9 yard ratio.
How bout Luck has 12.9 yds per catch and Ben is a CAREER 12.6 yd per catch.

You got to throw the ball to put up passing yards, you still want a game manager.

How you like those numbers to blow out another of your "Facts"
I knew that Luck threw more this season than Roethlisberger threw in his first two.

I wasn't sure you would catch that but it was fun to post that stat all the same.

I am going to predict right now, that if Luck stays healthy he will throw for more than 32 tds next season and more than 5000 yards.

You know who was a helluva game manager? Troy Aikman. I mean that as the nicest possible comment.

You know who else was a helluva game manager? Joe Montana. Only one season with more than 30 tds. Never threw for 4000 yards. AND HE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD RECEIVERS.

Seems to me that you unfairly criticized me for buying into fantasy football.

You are the real stats hound.

Joe Montana was a one trick pony- all he did was win.

I would take Roethlisberger's rookie season over Luck's any day of the week.

Unlike you I don't buy into this Madden football bs.
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:10 PM   #114
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Hopefully they can resign Starks - he was the rock of that line this season



That's what happens when you're obsessed with ball-control.



Makes you wonder, after Artie made it clear he wanted emphasis on the running game, and with Mendenhall still recovering, why the Steelers didn't go after guys like Brandon Jacobs or Michael Bush for one year.



Stat Curtain. Needs to make more splash plays. More turnovers and more sacks.



He was doing what Artie wanted him to before the injury. Maybe WRs gotta get open, and maybe the line has to block better.



I won't argue that Wallace was or wasn't a distraction, but he still did better than Brown and Sanders this season.

As for Mendenhall, that guy just wants out of Pittsburgh. There's no love lost between him and Tomlin.
You're right, Wallace was no cancer this year. Just because a guy wants to get paid and holds out doesn't equate to being a cancer. He came in and did a professional job at the position he was assigned. He was also a bargain for the wages paid to him and kept his issues between him and the team's FO. Both Miller and Brown made more than tripled his pay, but he produced better than them.

It amazes me how some folks can make up bullshit to slant issues when the facts say something totally different.
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You're right, Wallace was no cancer this year. Just because a guy wants to get paid and holds out doesn't equate to being a cancer. He came in and did a professional job at the position he was assigned. He was also a bargain for the wages paid to him and kept his issues between him and the team's FO. Both Miller and Brown made more than tripled his pay, he produced better than them.

It amazes me how some folks can make up bullshit to slant issues when the facts say something totally different.
I would say Mendenhall was a bigger cancer in that locker room with his "I don't need to apologize" attitude.
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I would say Mendenhall was a bigger cancer in that locker room with his "I don't need to apologize" attitude.
I think the Wallace hatred was overdone. He didn't miss a game.

However, Wallace was Ben's favourite target and he had almost no time to learn the new offense.

I think in its own way Wallace's holdout did hurt himself and the team.

Mendenhall is a dumbass. Plain and simple. He needs to stop voicing his opinion all the time but then so do I.

I don't think Mendenhall is a cancer. I haven't heard "Mendenhall's side of the story" in the media. As long as Mendenhall and Tomlin keep it behind closed doors it isn't an issue. I think there is probably some mutual respect there and that will be revealed depending on whether Mendy is back again.
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Aikman a game manager, ok I will buy that. Now how was it they were successful with a game manager and we did not just let Ben manage a game.

This could have alot to do with it Cowboys SB years:
1992 Rushing 2121 Turnovers 7th in the league at +7
1993 Rushing 2161 TOs 8th at +6
1995 Rushing 2201 TOs 11th at +2

Steelers 2012
Rushing 1537 Turnovers 24th and -10.

I do not expect you understand that those kind of numbers make a difference in the game plan you can run or how it affects a QB, or even how it can affect Scoring. You might not, but most knowledgeable football fans would.
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Joe Montanas Superbowl years

81 Rush 1941 TO +23 1st in NFL
84 2465 +16 3rd
85 2232 +1 11th
89 1966 +12 2nd
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I would like to add one more thing to this Montana/Aikman game manager theory. The years of their SBs show that they did run the well in most cases right at or over 2000 yds and with the exception of Montanas first SB 3.5 all these teams averages over 4 yds per carry, one as high as 4.7. The exception to Montanas First SB is that the defense was ranked #2 overall and created a +24 in turnovers leading the league that year. This past year we averaged 3.7 and you know how our TO difference.
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Aikman a game manager, ok I will buy that. Now how was it they were successful with a game manager and we did not just let Ben manage a game.

This could have alot to do with it Cowboys SB years:
1992 Rushing 2121 Turnovers 7th in the league at +7
1993 Rushing 2161 TOs 8th at +6
1995 Rushing 2201 TOs 11th at +2

Steelers 2012
Rushing 1537 Turnovers 24th and -10.

I do not expect you understand that those kind of numbers make a difference in the game plan you can run or how it affects a QB, or even how it can affect Scoring. You might not, but most knowledgeable football fans would.
Game Manager Ben

2004 Steelers 2464 Yards 2nd in NFL
2005 Steelers 2223 Yards 5th in NFL
2006 Steelers 1992 Yards 10th in NFL

Enter Tomlin/Arians "More weapons for Ben/Let Ben be Ben" Ben
In Arians 5 years as OC 2 OL are drafted on the first day - Pouncey and Gilbert

2007 Steelers 2168 Yards 3rd in NFL
2008 Steelers 1690 Yards 23rd in NFL* FWP/Mendenhall injured
2009 Steelers 1793 Yards 19th in NFL
2010 Steelers 1924 Yards 11th in NFL
2011 Steelers 1903 Yards 14th in NFL

My argument is that the Steelers imagined Roethlisberger to be elite and decided a conventional offense that established the run was not necessary for a player of his calibre. You can not run the ball without an OL. Mendenhall would be a 2000 yard rusher behind the Cowboys 90s OL.

As Ben's role increased the running game has decreased. Mendenhall is every bit as good as Willie Parker was. The OL was neglected because Tomlin wanted "weapons" rather than smashmouth football.

“There are two schools of thought to protect a quarterback … You can get linemen or you can get him weapons – people that people have to account for. Obviously with this pick, we’ve gotten a weapon. So what he is able to do on a football field will help our quarterback and our football team.” Mike Tomlin after drafting Sweed and Mendenhall.

Tomlin and Arians are responsible for allowing the Steelers to move away from their traditional running game. Now the Rooneys want the running game back. This is what is happening to the offense and it is a good thing.

For the first two seasons Roethlisberger was a game manager. The team went 15-1 and 11-5 winning a superbowl. The next season Ben threw on 469 attempts- 170 more than his previous high- and the Steelers missed the playoffs at 8-8.

Roethlisberger throws 42 times vs Jaguars exit playoffs.

Roethlisberger throws 40 times vs Broncos exit playoffs.

Roethlisberger is 55-10 for his career when he throws less than 30 times. 55-10!!!

Ben needs to throw more! He is too elite for winning!
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