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Old 12-30-2012, 11:20 PM   #11
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Default Re: Steelers will select 17th in 2013 NFL Draft

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If this was a perfect world we would of picked Brady in the 7th round the year he came out. All I am saying is unless a team does its homework and sometimes even if they do (you cannot predict injuries or just plain stupid) there are no guarantees. If early picks was the end all of success then the Lions, Browns, and Jaguars would of been to the SB by now. Some of you just cant be happy with a win, even if it cost us an earlier pick, I want my team to win and I look forward to seeing how the draft turns out. BTW i will likely wait at least 3-5 years before I declare anyone a bust as long as they are still on the roster.
I hear you... but...

In 2007, Tomlin was not a fan of FWP. He wanted another RB. At #15, Tomlin didn't have the ammo to trade up for AP. BUT, if the Steelers had been picking at #11, they would have likely gone after AP.

Likewise, assuming that Te'o is "the in pick", the Steelers might have traded up from 11 to 5 (unlikely, but possible), but they will not trade up from 17 to 5 (out of the question).

Make sense?

But, trust me: I get what you are saying: for every N-Donkeykong Suh, they is a Geno Atkins drafted in R4.
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Old 12-30-2012, 11:25 PM   #12
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My last thoughts on the matter, Belichek ,(who some think is the greatest coach ever, even on this board) made it a habit of trading higher picks for multiple lower picks. Reasoning is he felt he could pick players more suited for his system in the lower positions and at lower salaries. I personally would love some of the guys who have been drafted above us in years past but the pragmatic logic is you HAVE to pay for that talent, and when you spend for talent in one place you have to find bargains in others.
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Old 12-31-2012, 12:52 AM   #13
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The draft is huge. But the Steelers must realize they need to hit the free agent market if they want to be good next year
The Steelers don't need to hit the Free Agent market, we have enough talent on the rise and with a solid draft over the next couple years we'll be back on track.
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Old 12-31-2012, 01:13 AM   #14
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Hopefully Te'o or Mingo falls...if not we might grab one of the safeties
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:30 AM   #15
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Ugh, we could have picked as high as 11 if we hadn't magically gotten motivated to win once we were out of the playoffs. Hopefully somebody awesome falls to 17 but we'll probably wind up reaching for somebody we could have gotten later on anyway.
Exactly. This organization never does anything right!



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Old 12-31-2012, 09:29 AM   #16
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"It doesn't matter where you pick."
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Old 12-31-2012, 09:36 AM   #17
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Well, win or lose, we still would have been in the high "teens" draft-wise..
not true

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if the Steelers would've lost to the Browns, they would've moved up five spots to 12th in draft just behind San Diego.

It would've been the highest the Steelers selected since taking Ben Roethlisberger with the 11th pick in 2004


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The draft is huge. But the Steelers must realize they need to hit the free agent market if they want to be good next year
Because of poor drafting!
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Scouting is so good now usually they have those top 10+ players pegged pretty well. It certainly couldn't have hurt to be drafting 12th.

Here are the last several drafts top 12 picks

1 Andrew Luck QB Stanford Pac-12
2 Robert Griffin III QB Baylor Big 12
3 Trent Richardson RB Alabama SEC
4 Matt Kalil OT USC Pac-12
5 Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State Big 12
6 Morris Claiborne CB LSU SEC
7 Mark Barron S Alabama SEC
8 Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M Big 12
9 Luke Kuechly LB Boston College ACC
10 Stephon Gilmore CB South Carolina SEC
11 Dontari Poe DT Memphis C-USA
12 Fletcher Cox DT Miss State SEC

2011

1 Cam Newton QB Auburn SEC
2 Von Miller LB Texas A&M Big 12
3 Marcell Dareus DE Alabama SEC
4 A. J. Green WR Georgia SEC
5 Patrick Peterson CB LSU SEC
6 Julio Jones WR Alabama SEC
7 Aldon Smith LB Missouri Big 12
8 Jake Locker QB Washington Pac-10
9 Tyron Smith OT USC Pac-10
10 Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri Big 12
11 J. J. Watt DE Wisconsin Big Ten
12 Christian Ponder QB Florida State ACC

2010

1 Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma Big 12
2 Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska Big 12
3 Gerald McCoy DT Oklahoma Big 12
4 Trent Williams OT Oklahoma Big 12
5 Eric Berry S Tennessee SEC
6 Russell Okung OT Oklahoma State Big 12
7 Joe Haden CB Florida SEC
8 Rolando McClain LB Alabama SEC
9 C. J. Spiller RB Clemson ACC
10 Tyson Alualu DT California Pac-10
11 Anthony Davis OT Rutgers Big East
12 Ryan Mathews RB Fresno State WAC

Perhaps more importantly are some of the players that go between 12 and 17. In the past three years we have guys like:

S Earl Thomas
DL Jason Pierre Paul
G Mike Iupati
G Mike Pouncey
OT Nate Solder
OLB Ryan Kerrigan
DE OLB Robet Quinn
WR Michael Floyd
DT Michael Brockers
OLB DE Bruce Irvin
DE Quinton Coples
CB Dre Kirkpatrick

Notables after pick 17 the last 3 years I found to have proven themselves remains slim and really only 2010 is where I find these names

C Maurkice Pouncey
WR Dez Bryant
WR Demaryius Thomas
CB Devon McCorty
TE Jermaine Gresham
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