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Old 01-03-2013, 06:42 AM   #41
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Like I keep saying - Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rodgers aren't dumbed down by teams that want to play ball-control offenses. Ben is. It's not even so much about run/pass ratio. Those teams try to score fast, the Steelers try to sit on it and hope the defense keeps them in it long enough for Ben to bail everyone out in the end.

This is a huge reason why the Steelers offense is not scoring as many points as many of you want them to be, yet you can't seem to wrap it around your heads. If you believe ball-control offense is the way to go then I guess I won't change your minds - just don't bitch when the offense doesn't put up many points, or if Ben can't bail the Steelers out from their stubbornness every game.
Steelers points per quarter.

1st 3.6 2nd 7.1 3rd 4.4 4th 5.7

That's 10.7 first half points and 10.1 second half points.

Ben has had 5 4th quarter comebacks in the last 3 seasons... that matches the 5 4th quarter comebacks he had in his rookie season.

He doesn't bail the Steelers out as much as you'd like to pretend.
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:46 AM   #42
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I don't understand what your saying? It's not like the Steelers are not trying to score and get first downs. They are, there just not executing well. Like I said earlier, New England runs the ball more then us and Brady is the master of the dink and dunk offense. We're trying to do the same thing but our offense can't get it done. It's not like Tomlin dosnt want to score because he does.
Ed Zachary! Some guys' comments crack me up. The reason we don't put many points on the board is not because we don't want to, it's because we're not good enough offensively to dominate the defenses we're facing. That's all.
And by not good enough, I'm talking about talent and execution.
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I don't understand what your saying? It's not like the Steelers are not trying to score and get first downs. They are, there just not executing well. Like I said earlier, New England runs the ball more then us and Brady is the master of the dink and dunk offense. We're trying to do the same thing but our offense can't get it done. It's not like Tomlin dosnt want to score because he does.
Exactly. You would think Brady was in a run-n-shoot the way people talk about their offense. That's not what it is.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:30 PM   #44
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He actually led two game-winning drives this year. Maybe three, actually, haven't went back and looked.
You are right on both counts. 2 4th QTR comebacks and 3 game winning drives.

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Ed Zachary! Some guys' comments crack me up. The reason we don't put many points on the board is not because we don't want to, it's because we're not good enough offensively to dominate the defenses we're facing. That's all.
And by not good enough, I'm talking about talent and execution.
When they send all three of their speedy WRs only 5 to 10 yards beyond the LOS, that should be a big indication that they think time of possession is more important than scoring. And really, that's no surprise. They do it because they want the defense to carry the team.
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I don't understand what your saying? It's not like the Steelers are not trying to score and get first downs. They are, there just not executing well. Like I said earlier, New England runs the ball more then us and Brady is the master of the dink and dunk offense. We're trying to do the same thing but our offense can't get it done. It's not like Tomlin dosnt want to score because he does.
Succinct & logical. Great post.
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Succinct & logical. Great post.
The difference is they use a lot of no huddle and do not dumb-down their QB in the process. They aren't worried about tradition, they score. Anyone who compares the Haley/Artie offense to New England's offense is delusional.
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The difference is they use a lot of no huddle and do not dumb-down their QB in the process. They aren't worried about tradition, they score. Anyone who compares the Haley/Artie offense to New England's offense is delusional.
Well, I guess that I, Pete74, ricardismo, Riddle_of_Steel, and about thirty other regular posters on here are delusional.
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Well, I guess that I, Pete74, ricardismo, Riddle_of_Steel, and about thirty other regular posters on here are delusional.
I guess so. You all talk about "reining Ben in" and how important time of possession is, but then you bitch about how the offense doesn't score many points and the pressure usually being on the defense. Guess what - that's what this kind of close to the vest style of offense gets you.
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I guess so. You all talk about "reining Ben in" and how important time of possession is, but then you bitch about how the offense doesn't score many points and the pressure usually being on the defense. Guess what - that's what this kind of close to the vest style of offense gets you.
Never said that. Putting words in my mouth.

I said that I thought that pete74 made a great post.

He was saying that Brady plays dink & dunk... and that we all think Brady is a good QB... and that we all like BB... and we think that BB can be even more successful than he already is. Brady has evolved & improved his game, and BB can do that as well.

Reining in, playing close to the vest, and bitching about the offense were not mentioned in his post.

What are you talking about???
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