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Old 01-02-2013, 09:03 PM   #21
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The Steelers hold the 17th pick. I know that QBs and WRs will creep higher in the draft than they really should; so, there will be five "skill" position guys that sneak into the top 17… which will push 12 other players that the Steelers want right down towards them… in other words, leaving plenty of options for the Steelers. Please, post your "top 17" players. And, of course, please highlight:

a) which player who you hope makes a "DeCastro type of drop"
b) which player you REALLY want (realistically)
c) which player is most "likely" to be the actual pick.

Will go, but not for Steelers:
1. Geno Smith, QB, WVU
2. Matt Barkley, QB, USC
3. Keenan Allen, WR, Cal
4. Mike Glennon, QB, NC St.
5. Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas

Possible Steelers picks:
6. Manti Te'o, ILB, ND (A - hope he drops)
7. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
8. Demontre Moore, OLB, Texas A&M
10. Star Lotulelei, NT, Utah
11. Bjoern Werner, OLB, Florida St.
12. Dion Jordan, OLB, Oregon
13. Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia
14. Kenny Vaccaro, SS, Texas (C - I think that he will be the actual pick)
15. Barkevious Mingo, OLB, LSU


"Could" be the pick, depending on The Colon (& whether Gilbert switches to LG and/or if Starks returns):
16. Chance Warmack, LG, Alabama
17. Luke Joekel, LT, Texas A&M
18. Tyler Lewan, LT, Michigan
19. Barrett Jones, LT/LG, Alabama

It might be a tad high, but I really want:
20. Matt Elam, SS, Florida (B - I really want this kid to be a Steeler)
Is there any CBs worth drafting in the first round? I know for a fact we need more depth at CB and another shut down corner like Ike Taylor.
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:39 PM   #22
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Is there any CBs worth drafting in the first round? I know for a fact we need more depth at CB and another shut down corner like Ike Taylor.
Dee Milliner is a very good CB, but after him the class drops off considerably. After him, I don't believe there's a corner that warrants a first round pick but if I'm being honest with you, I don't think we need to use a high pick (rds.1 through 4) on acquiring one. With the sudden and almost overnight development of Cortez Allen and Keenan Lewis playing well, we seem to be set. Behind them, I have very high hopes and expectations for Van Dyke. He was one of my favorite guys coming out of the draft back in 2011 and was hoping we'd take him in the fourth.

There are guys that are very high on Jonathan Banks and Jordan Poyer, but I wouldn't use a first round pick on them. While they seem to have a high ceiling and great potential, they're too raw for a first round pick.
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You guys would really rather have Te'o over Jarvis Jones ?????????????
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anyway player I hope falls is Jarvis Jones

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1 - Jarvis Jones - OLB
2 - Phillip Thomas - FS
3 - Gerald Hodges - ILB
4 - Duke Williams - SS

realistic

1 - Kenny Vaccaro - FS - Texas
2 - Andrew Jackson - ILB - Western Kentucky (if he declares)
3 - Duke Williams - SS - Nevada
4 - Brandon Jenkins - OLB - Flordia State / Trevardo Williams - OLB - UCONN
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:57 PM   #25
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I really do think our best option will be to trade back and acquire another 2 round pick because like teegre said there a late First rounders that would be available in round 2.

As far as what position to draft I feel like our biggest needs are ilb, safety, olb, wr, oline, rb, corner in that order as of right now we will see what happens in the offseason as many of this will for sure change.

The reason for for ilb biggest that is our biggest question mark heading into the season. We don't know if foote will come back and if he does it will be for one more year. Spence is a question mark because no one knows what he will be, I tend to look at him as more of a Timmons type player not someone for our right ilb position but time will tell. It has to be addressed in the first 2 rounds maybe 3 if someone falls.

Safety would be my next priority because we all know we need to find replacement Troy and Clark. We currently have no backups on the team that project to be the potential starters, I've heard they like golden but we need a top notch playmaker back there.

Olb I think we all know there was little production from them this year and Harrison likely has one more year. The reason I but this 3rd is Jason worlds till the last game led our team in sacks in limited playing time. I do value him because he wasn't bad this year when he played he also was coming off wrist surgery and this offseason will get full strength back and will be lifting nomally, so I think he will be a quality starter. Also spence could maybe play there but that's all a big if.

As for wr, Wallace will be gone so someone fresh to bring in to compete will be needed, rb depending on what we do with mendy redman and dwyer. Online could also use good players because Gilbert injuries all of them.

Based on what I think our needs are I would

Trade back in first a select a guy like Kenny vaccaro or Elam if he declares. Vaccaro would be a great pick because he could backup Troy and Clark for a year or two learn the defense and learn from two greats at the position. This is also a huge value pick because at Texas he would often cover the slot wr and did it very well. So you get a good safety who could come in the first year and play the nickel slot position which will be needed if Lewis leaves and Allen takes the second cb spot

What every we get trading back I think we should use it to acquire 2 picks in round 2 or if we get a round 2 out of it move up with trading a 4th away.

There are so many players that are potential starters and good starters in this league that will go round 2 IMO. If we go safety round one. I believe it would be time to look at lb in round 2 and there are many options. A guy like chase Thomas olb Stanford would be a good pick, skov ilb Stanford, Gerald hodges penn state and many others as I'm sure we will discuss closer to draft.

But I really love Gerald hodges most places have him as a round 3 guy but I believe he will go sooner than that. I feel like he will be a mold of narravo bowman sf linebacker. He had great production in college I think he had 3 seasons will 100 plus tackles. He's projected olb but I believe he would be a great inside guy which he played in his junior year if I'm not mistaken. He will be available when we pick in the second and would provide great value being a guy who can play both line backing position. And we all know Tomlin loves guys who can play multiple positions.

Also I have posted before if we lose Wallace I would like us to pick up quinton Patton wr for la tech. If you don't know who he is look him up. Potential first round cb banks from Texas a&m said he was the best wr he faced all season. I would select this guy in the ack part of round 2 or early part of round 3.

As of right now I would be really happy with vaccaro, hodges, and Patton as our first three picks, none are big name picks but will be quality starters in this league.
I agree with most of what you said.

I think Vaccaro is a smart pick (even though I obviously am a fan of Elam).

Hodges has been mentioned by others, and I like the pick... as well as Shayne Skov (although, Skov might even be there in R3).

I am not keen on drafting a WR, but that is only MY opinion. I still think that Wallace gets re-signed (I know that I'm in the minority on that one). Regardless, honestly, I know little about Patton, because I've never seen him play.
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:01 PM   #26
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Dee Milliner is a very good CB, but after him the class drops off considerably. After him, I don't believe there's a corner that warrants a first round pick but if I'm being honest with you, I don't think we need to use a high pick (rds.1 through 4) on acquiring one. With the sudden and almost overnight development of Cortez Allen and Keenan Lewis playing well, we seem to be set. Behind them, I have very high hopes and expectations for Van Dyke. He was one of my favorite guys coming out of the draft back in 2011 and was hoping we'd take him in the fourth.

There are guys that are very high on Jonathan Banks and Jordan Poyer, but I wouldn't use a first round pick on them. While they seem to have a high ceiling and great potential, they're too raw for a first round pick.
I agree: Dee is the ONLY CB worthy of being taken in R1.

More importantly, I agree 100% about this:
With Ike, Keenan, & Cortez, there is NO need for a CB before R4. Personally, I like Leon McFadden (SDSU), because I watched him a lot in college... and, because he is a really good CB. If he is there in R5, I'd like to see him drafted. But, alas, after people watch tape on him, he will undoubtedly go R3 (or earlier).
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You guys would really rather have Te'o over Jarvis Jones ?????????????
I think that we are all being "realistic." Jarvis goes top three.
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anyway player I hope falls is Jarvis Jones

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2 - Phillip Thomas - FS
3 - Gerald Hodges - ILB
4 - Duke Williams - SS

realistic

1 - Kenny Vaccaro - FS - Texas
2 - Andrew Jackson - ILB - Western Kentucky (if he declares)
3 - Duke Williams - SS - Nevada
4 - Brandon Jenkins - OLB - Flordia State / Trevardo Williams - OLB - UCONN
I like the Brandon Jenkins pick... but, I doubt that the Steelers take a shot on him (even though it worked out well for the Rams & Janoris Jenkins).

And, obviously, Vaccaro is who I see being there & being drafted at #17... unless... the Steelers go OLB in R1 (Jordan, Mingo) and then trade up for Elam in R2 (which would make me the happiest fan in Steelerdom).
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I think that we are all being "realistic." Jarvis goes top three.
Jones Injury concern could make him drop ... and with players that will shine at the combine could push him down too ...

I expect players like Dion Jordan , Ziggy Ansuh , and Magnus Hunt to really shoot up boards ... with Jordan and Ansuh to be top 10 picks ... and Magnus could be top 20

Not to mention QBs are usually always over picked ... WRs and Corners could jump also

I think it's actually realistic that Te'o and Jones are both still on the board ... but more realistic that Te'o will be
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Jones Injury concern could make him drop ... and with players that will shine at the combine could push him down too ...

I expect players like Dion Jordan , Ziggy Ansuh , and Magnus Hunt to really shoot up boards ... with Jordan and Ansuh to be top 10 picks ... and Magnus could be top 20

Not to mention QBs are usually always over picked ... WRs and Corners could jump also

I think it's actually realistic that Te'o and Jones are both still on the board ... but more realistic that Te'o will be
Good point(s). Injuries push players down... like Heath.
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