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Old 01-05-2013, 01:09 PM   #151
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It should also read in Canton "Once the Steelers realized playing close to the vest didn't work, Ben won more games early."



Did Dan tell Cowher and Whiz how to run the offense? There's a difference between an owner getting involved when his team has stagnated for 25 years and when an owner think he should determine run/pass ratio.
Ben is limited to short intermediate game because his long ball is getting progressively worse since 2010. He used to be 40% (7th best) on 20 yards or longer, then went to 30% last year, when he was allowed to pass even more, and now he is down to 23 percent.

Why do you want to give him the keys to the car? What he wants doesn't work.
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Old 01-05-2013, 01:33 PM   #152
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Ben's O-Line is shit because he makes it shit.

This entire year is proof positive when Ben was getting rid of the ball quickly, as Haley directed him to, the O-Line was actually looking like a solid unit. You all remember this. We've all seen it. The famed Eagles Pass Rush couldn't lay a finger on Ben all day.

It wasn't until the mediocre Mike Wallace opened his useless trap that fans started whining for more Deep Ball that things went south. Ben defaulted back into old bad habits of holding the ball forever waiting for someone to get open deep. Oh look, suddenly the O-Line is looking like shit again. Time to fire Haley, fire Kugler and cut this guy and whoever and spend another draft pick on a lineman. It's not Ben's fault for his pure offensive incompetence, someone has to take the fall.

You could put Ben in front of the 80's Hogs in their prime and he'd make them look like shit.
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Ben is limited to short intermediate game because his long ball is getting progressively worse since 2010. He used to be 40% (7th best) on 20 yards or longer, then went to 30% last year, when he was allowed to pass even more, and now he is down to 23 percent.

Why do you want to give him the keys to the car? What he wants doesn't work.
It works better than what Artie wants.
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It works better than what Artie wants.
Artie called for better running in the 2010 season, the Steelers reached the Super Bowl.

Doing "What Ben wants" turned a 6-3 record into an 8-8 season in 2012.

Doing "What Ben wants" got the Steelers eliminated in a do-or-die season in Cincinnati.
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Only is what Ben wanted was a shoulder injury.
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Artie called for better running in the 2010 season, the Steelers reached the Super Bowl.
The defense blew the 2009 season by not protecting 4th quarter leads, not the offense. If you really think Ben played a small part in 2010...... then I totally understand based on the low intelligence level of your other posts.

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Doing "What Ben wants" turned a 6-3 record into an 8-8 season in 2012.
2012 was nothing close to "Ben's way" - unless run, run, pass or run, bubble screen, pass is now "Ben's way."

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No, playing close to the vest, scared football put them in a hole earlier in the season. You're just pissed Ben didn't bail the Steelers out from their own stubbornness. Guess what, he can't do it every time. Time for the Steelers to enter the new NFL. It's about scoring, not possession.
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Ben's O-Line is shit because he makes it shit.

This entire year is proof positive when Ben was getting rid of the ball quickly, as Haley directed him to, the O-Line was actually looking like a solid unit. You all remember this. We've all seen it. The famed Eagles Pass Rush couldn't lay a finger on Ben all day.

It wasn't until the mediocre Mike Wallace opened his useless trap that fans started whining for more Deep Ball that things went south. Ben defaulted back into old bad habits of holding the ball forever waiting for someone to get open deep. Oh look, suddenly the O-Line is looking like shit again. Time to fire Haley, fire Kugler and cut this guy and whoever and spend another draft pick on a lineman. It's not Ben's fault for his pure offensive incompetence, someone has to take the fall.

You could put Ben in front of the 80's Hogs in their prime and he'd make them look like shit.
You could put Ben behind a line consisting of Anthony Munoz, John Hannah, Mike Webster, Gene Upshaw, and Jonathon Ogden, and he would make them look like shit with how long he holds onto the ball.
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The defense blew the 2009 season by not protecting 4th quarter leads, not the offense. If you really think Ben played a small part in 2010...... then I totally understand based on the low intelligence level of your other posts.



2012 was nothing close to "Ben's way" - unless run, run, pass or run, bubble screen, pass is now "Ben's way."



No, playing close to the vest, scared football put them in a hole earlier in the season. You're just pissed Ben didn't bail the Steelers out from their own stubbornness. Guess what, he can't do it every time. Time for the Steelers to enter the new NFL. It's about scoring, not possession.
There's a reason none of the top offenses rely on what Ben wants to do. It's a nice thing to have - but shouldn't be what you base your offense off of.
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I can't believe how every post turns into a "Ben sucks" thread!

Kurt Warner has been used thousands of times as a comparison to Ben, especially since many here think he outplayed Ben in the Super Bowl. They also believe that Warner was a better qb than Ben ever will be by a long shot.

Why is it that Warner set the world on fire from his first snap with the Rams? They broke all kinds of scoring records with him at the helm. He also helped make the Cardinals an explosive offense, making them one of the highest scoring teams in the league. He is universally praised as a great quarterback, as a very accurate thrower of the football, and being great in big games. The numbers don't lie right?

How is it that Warner can be this awesome, with incredible stats with the Rams and the Cardinals, yet with the Giants looked as horrible and pedestrian as any qb has ever looked?

I believe Kurt Warner is the ultimate example of what a qb can do when surrounded by outstanding offensive talent. With the Rams, he took over an offense that was already dominant with Trent Green running the show. He had Isaac Bruce, Tory Holt, and Marshall Faulk. With the Cardinals, he had Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin to throw to, and an emerging running game that really came to life late in the year of thier super bowl run.

Warner did exactly diddly shit with the Giants. There was no high flying, greatest show on turf going on in NY. He was a complete disaster. He was still every bit the qb he was in St Louis, he just couldn't do anything when he didn't have weapons to make his job easy. He was playing for a team that wanted to run first, control the ball and the clock, and have the Qb make key throws on third down. Sound familiar? Go back and watch the super bowl against the Steelers. Look at the TD catches in that game for Warner. His first couple probably shouldn't have been thrown. They had defenders all over them, and just out-wrestled the defenders to make the catches. The third was an 8 yard crossing route to Fitzgerald who turned upfield and ran the distance through a wide open center field. The weapons you have on offense and the style of offense you run have a HUGE impact on the stats your Qb puts up. Anybody who knows anything about football understands this is an indisputable truth.

If Ben had Megatron, Larry Fitzgerald, AJ Green, or dominant big WR, it would completely transform this offense. Provided, of course, that the coaching staff embraced the strength of its' talent and featured the passing game while improving the running game a bit. Tell me I'm wrong.
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We might be stuck with Haley.

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Pittsburgh Steelers offensive coordinator Todd Haley has not yet agreed to interview for the Arizona Cardinals' head-coaching position because he wants to determine their level of interest and avoid putting his current job in jeopardy, according to sources familiar with Haley's thought process.
This is an excerpt from an ESPN interview. If the Cardinals aren't really interested in Haley as a head coach, they might just want to interview him as a candidate for their offensive coordinator position under somebody else. If that's the case, he wants to stay with the Steelers.
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