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Old 01-13-2013, 01:26 PM   #81
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Statistics don't mean shit, buddy. He won the game. Plain and simple.
That's right Slappy, HE WON the game, no one else won it. HE WON IT.

That's good.

Then you won't mind if I put a little more responsibility on him for why the 2012 Steelers failed? I can't say that, though, cause then I'd be saying Ben's a Terrible QB! I know, it must be Todd Haley's fault!
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Old 01-13-2013, 01:34 PM   #82
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Seriously? Is EVERY FUCKING THREAD going to turn into a thread about how Ben's a terrible quarterback? I got news for ya.

If he isn't drafted in '04, we're the 4 time super bowl champs. The team as a whole had a bad season, which is normal with new coaches on board. Every time this team has a losing season this bullshit spews all over the place.
Funny part about your last statement is that this team has never had a losing season since they drafted BR. I know 8-8 and 9-7 feel like it when they miss the playoffs, but there are plenty of teams who's good years end at around .500 ball.

I don't think Ben is top 3, but I think he's top 5. He was again this year, until the injury.
So the top 3 QB's IMO are in action this weekend and the 2 that played yesterday basically sucked. They all aren't great all the time.
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Old 01-13-2013, 02:00 PM   #83
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Ben was a complete NON FACTOR in XLIII until the very end. That final drive really clouded the minds of how mediocre he played that day.
No, what clouds the mind is listening to you admit that Ben played his absolute best with the game on the line, but trying to tell everyone else how mediocre he is.

You keep talking about unleashing Manning, while keeping Ben leashed. Over both thier careers, Ben has been the overwhelmingly better pressure QB in the playoffs. It's not even close. Please get a grip on reality. With everything on the line in playoff football, Ben is the guy that gets it done better than just about anybody ever has.

There are certain guys in sports that just come up big in the biggest moments, while not being statistically as good as the regular season heroes. Take baseball. Roger Clemens, Greg Maddox, Randy Johnson, etc.. were fantastic regular season pitchers. If my child's life was on the line in the final game of the World Series, I would take Curt Schilling any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Statistically he wasn't as good, but when the shit hits the fan and you need one man to get it done, he was the man. If you wouldn't make that same choice, you're lying to yourself and us.
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Old 01-13-2013, 02:39 PM   #84
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No, what clouds the mind is listening to you admit that Ben played his absolute best with the game on the line, but trying to tell everyone else how mediocre he is.

You keep talking about unleashing Manning, while keeping Ben leashed. Over both thier careers, Ben has been the overwhelmingly better pressure QB in the playoffs. It's not even close. Please get a grip on reality. With everything on the line in playoff football, Ben is the guy that gets it done better than just about anybody ever has.

There are certain guys in sports that just come up big in the biggest moments, while not being statistically as good as the regular season heroes. Take baseball. Roger Clemens, Greg Maddox, Randy Johnson, etc.. were fantastic regular season pitchers. If my child's life was on the line in the final game of the World Series, I would take Curt Schilling any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Statistically he wasn't as good, but when the shit hits the fan and you need one man to get it done, he was the man. If you wouldn't make that same choice, you're lying to yourself and us.
Dude, that last drive in SuperBowl XLIII sucked. Kirk Gibson's home run in the World Series sucked... as did Bill Mazeroski's home run. Mary Lou Retton's "10" in the 1984 Olympics sucked. Michael Jordan's game six sucked. And, lastly, the end of "Slumdog Millionaire" sucked.
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Funny part about your last statement is that this team has never had a losing season since they drafted BR. I know 8-8 and 9-7 feel like it when they miss the playoffs, but there are plenty of teams who's good years end at around .500 ball.

I don't think Ben is top 3, but I think he's top 5. He was again this year, until the injury.
So the top 3 QB's IMO are in action this weekend and the 2 that played yesterday basically sucked. They all aren't great all the time.
The Steelers were 6-10 in 2006. You are thinking of Tomlin. The Steelers have never had a losing season under Tomlin therefore Tomlin is the sole reason for all of the Steelers success.

Funny how when Manning and Rodgers "basically suck" they still throw for multiple touchdowns.
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The Steelers were 6-10 in 2006. You are thinking of Tomlin. The Steelers have never had a losing season under Tomlin therefore Tomlin is the sole reason for all of the Steelers success.

Funny how when Manning and Rodgers "basically suck" they still throw for multiple touchdowns.
They were 8-8 in 2006. And Cowher got a lot of "last year not caring" comments about his coaching. Conveniently forgetting that his star QB decided to ride motorcycles and eating windshields instead of working on his game after the worst performance by a winning QB in Super Bowl history.
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You guys need to relax. Of course Ben is a good QB. Anyone with a brain can tell you that. However, I think the "Elite" tag gets thrown around WAY too much in sports. WAY too much. And if a player isnt "clutch", they suck. Well, the only thing more rare then elite is clutch.

Ben is not elite and is in the 2nd tier qb section with guys likes Eli Manning and Joe Flacco.

Elite QBs dont always mean you are going to win it all. Its a team sport. And you need some luck to win titles, ALOT of luck. I mean, the luck involved in winning is so big, that a helmet catch and a routine 3rd down drop late in the 4th quarter last Feb cost Brady from being a 5 time super bowl winner. That's how one little play can change the course of history.

Manning, Brady, Brees and Rodgers: Elite Qbs in the NFL. Everyone else is below. I think I have said this a few times in other posts, this is the last time im writing it.
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The Steelers were 6-10 in 2006.
I had to go back and look that one up, thinking that they were 7-9. They were actually 8-8, winning 6 of their last 8 games!

Funny that I remember that year as one filled with inconsistant play and bad fundamentals.
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Elite QBs dont always mean you are going to win it all. Its a team sport. And you need some luck to win titles, ALOT of luck. I mean, the luck involved in winning is so big, that a helmet catch and a routine 3rd down drop late in the 4th quarter last Feb cost Brady from being a 5 time super bowl winner. That's how one little play can change the course of history.
that's something we overlook a lot. When it comes down to it, even while winning, the "elite", "great", or whatever you want to call them get too much credit. It's absolutely a team sport and every piece needs to be there to win in the playoffs.
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Dude, that last drive in SuperBowl XLIII sucked. Kirk Gibson's home run in the World Series sucked... as did Bill Mazeroski's home run. Mary Lou Retton's "10" in the 1984 Olympics sucked. Michael Jordan's game six sucked. And, lastly, the end of "Slumdog Millionaire" sucked.
I'm not really sure what you're saying here. Could you please explain?
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