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Old 02-04-2013, 09:28 AM   #111
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Default Re: Stop kidding youselfs; Flacco is solid.

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Ben has never played in a Superbowl the way Flacco played yesterday,
Ben has never been voted SB MVP and didn't deserve it either.
That's for on-the-field criterias

Now, let's talk about off-the-field criterias
Flacco doesn't run his mouth the way Ben does
Flacco hasn't been accused of 2 sexual assaults

After this season, Flacco ranks ahead of Ben, no question. Career wise? Ben still has an edge but it's not a big one and the gap is narrowing very quickly.

Oh, and whoever ranked Ben #2 QB at this point needs to pass around what he's smoking.
Agreed about running his mouth - Flacco had major issues with Cam Cameron as offensive coordinator but did not engage in the constant passive-aggressive bullshit like Ben did with regard to Arians and Haley- Ben should have focused his efforts on telling the Young Money WRs to shut up and play, but if the veteran QB has a me first attitude the younger players are going to follow that attitude

And Flacco has never missed a snap - injuries are freaky but a starting QB not missing games every season counts for something

Flacco had a great post-season - based on both current performance and age Ben needs to step it up to be regarded as the best QB in the AFC North
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Old 02-04-2013, 10:36 AM   #112
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Flacco doesn't run his mouth the way Ben does
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“We didn’t come out and play like we wanted in the second half, obviously,” Flacco said, via CSNBaltimore.com. “I think there have been games this year when we’ve come out throwing the ball because we’ve been down a lot, and you (reporters) have all complained about it. Now, this week we kind of came out and we honestly played conservative. And when we didn’t, we missed a couple plays, whether it was a drop or a missed throw here (or there).

“I wish you guys would help me out a little bit and start complaining a little bit that we play a little too conservative and put pressure on our coaches to not do that.”
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On Wednesday, Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco raised a few eyebrows when he admitted the team's hurry-up offense probably would go a bit faster if he were calling his own plays instead of looking to the sidelines and waiting for offensive coordinator Cam Cameron to send in the play. One of the Ravens most glaring weaknesses in their two losses this season has been their inability to move the ball quickly when they got down two scores and were trying to rally.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/201...nd-coordinator

And don't even get me started on his "I'm the best QB in the NFL" proclamation.
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Old 02-04-2013, 10:59 AM   #113
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Default Re: Stop kidding youselfs; Flacco is solid.

Flacco has proven himself. I don't know what all was said in here, but the guy has proven that he's a winner. I don't think I would put him over Ben for a whole season, but I would rather have Flacco in a playoff run.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:38 AM   #114
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7th best.

I rest my case.
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:05 PM   #115
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I say he's 4-6th. Second tier, along with Peyton and Ben.
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Old 02-04-2013, 02:11 PM   #116
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I hate him, you hate him, we all hate him, but c'mon. The man has won far to many playoff games in a short period of time for him to be labeled solid.

Still not as good as Ben though.
He's solid at times, he really showed that by stepping up in the playoffs. However, during the regular season he was great at home and HORRIBLE on the road putting up high school QB numbers. If he gets that huge contract this offseason then he has to prove he can be consistent.
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He's solid at times, he really showed that by stepping up in the playoffs. However, during the regular season he was great at home and HORRIBLE on the road putting up high school QB numbers. If he gets that huge contract this offseason then he has to prove he can be consistent.
Yeah, that's the crazy thing. He gets beat by Charlie Batch this year and then wins it all. He's better than I thought he was I concede but I'm with you, I think he still needs to prove he's consistent. That doesn't mean I think he's a bad or even average QB but it's a fair question.
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Default Re: Stop kidding youselfs; Flacco is solid.

A lot of life is out of your control (what if Archie Manning had played for the Steelers and Bradshaw had played for the Saints in the 1970s - who would be in Canton then?) - if the Denver DB does not have a brain freeze at the end of regulation the question asked about Flacco would not be whether he is elite but whether the Ravens need another QB to win it all

But instead Flacco had one of the best QB post-seasons in NFL history

Questions I Never, Ever Thought I Would Have to Ask for $200, Alex

Did Joe Flacco just have the best playoffs of any quarterback we've ever seen?

Not joking. This is a conversation that absolutely needs to be had. The Flacchise has numbers that place him into that discussion, and if anything, the numbers might underrate how good he's been during these playoffs.

Let's start with the numbers, though, because they're staggering. Flacco finished the postseason having gone 73-of-126 (57.9 percent) for 1,140 passing yards with 11 touchdowns and zero interceptions. Eleven to zero. Only one other player since the merger has produced a touchdown-to-interception ratio equal to or better than that in the playoffs, and it's a guy who has a pretty sterling postseason reputation: Joe Montana.

Montana's 1989 season pretty clearly stands out to me as the greatest postseason run since 1970, but I've gone ahead and listed some other notable Super Bowl–winning postseasons that might put Flacco's big January into context:
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The article has a chart tat i could not cut and paste

Whatever adjectives you want to attach to Flacco are a matter of personal preference. I just know that there are a lot of "elite" quarterbacks who will never have a playoff run as good as the one Joe Flacco just delivered — and that labels often find themselves obstructed, for better or worse, by the Super Bowl ring on a quarterback's finger.

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Can't wait to see how good he is without Boldin and Jones. $20 mil a year? Welcome to cap hell Baltimore.

And people suggesting he's better than Ben, shut up. Few qbs with as little talent as Ben have won as much as he has. Since 05 the worst offensive line in the league. Never had a legit number 1 except Plax for like four games in his first year (I love Hines but he's not a prototypical 1: height, speed etc), a few good years from Willie but not a great runningback past that, an offensive coordinator that didn't know shit about subtly and protecting him, and another that's too scared to take shots down the field when they have chances. Put Brees, Manning, Brady, Flacco (lol, would just love to see that) in Pittsburgh and Ben in any of their situations. He'd put up 5000 yards a year with 40 tds and consistently win 13 games every year with bunches of Lombardis.

He's good, no doubt. Brees money good? Nope. Brees isn't even deserving of that contract, let alone Flacco.
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Can't wait to see how good he is without Boldin and Jones. $20 mil a year? Welcome to cap hell Baltimore.

And people suggesting he's better than Ben, shut up. Few qbs with as little talent as Ben have won as much as he has. Since 05 the worst offensive line in the league. Never had a legit number 1 except Plax for like four games in his first year (I love Hines but he's not a prototypical 1: height, speed etc), a few good years from Willie but not a great runningback past that, an offensive coordinator that didn't know shit about subtly and protecting him, and another that's too scared to take shots down the field when they have chances. Put Brees, Manning, Brady, Flacco (lol, would just love to see that) in Pittsburgh and Ben in any of their situations. He'd put up 5000 yards a year with 40 tds and consistently win 13 games every year with bunches of Lombardis.

He's good, no doubt. Brees money good? Nope. Brees isn't even deserving of that contract, let alone Flacco.
So Big Ben is more talented than Tom Brady / Payton Manning, he just doesn't have the O-Line?



Big Ben is a talented QB with a mediocre work ethic and he will never be in the same conversation as Tom Brady. Neither will Flacco, but at least I'm not delusional.

EDIT: And how is your o-line supposed to protect Ben when he holds on to the ball for 10+ seconds while trying to find a receiver? The guy is KNOWN for extending plays, which is great for his personal glory but when 50% of his sacks are coverage sacks it makes his line look worse than it is.
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