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Old 01-17-2013, 12:25 PM   #51
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Cowher was here for 15 years. 1 SB victory, another appearance
Tomlin for 6. 1 SB victory, another appearance

Can we just get some perspective please. Tomlin and Ben will get at least 1-2 more really good chances at hoisting another one together. Don't underestimate the power of being humbled. We'll see what comes from it.

Just ease off - who else would you want if not Tomlin? Is he a sexy new up and coming coach? Not anymore - there's some chinks in the armor - but, this could prepare us all for something even better down the road. I'll bitch, you'll bitch, we'll all bitch in the meantime - but, let's keep SOME faith.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:33 PM   #52
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These players don't need a father, they're groan men. They need to hold themselves accountable.
It's a saying bro..... What it means is that Tomlin needs to get the most out of his players, whether he has to be an asshole or do it with a smile. Either way, tomlins too much of a bush to do it like an asshole so most of the players aren't even coming close to their full potential. We have a bunch of spoiled kids born and raised under Tomlin. It's gonna be ugly if Tomlin doesn't take his belt off once and a while. Threatening to bench any player who fumbles the ball the week after 70% of the offensive players fumbled the ball at least once, is not good coaching. Being tough and practicing fumbling drills and ball control drills so we NEVER HAVE THE ISSUE IN THE FIRST PLACE, is good coaching..
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Cowher was here for 15 years. 1 SB victory, another appearance
Tomlin for 6. 1 SB victory, another appearance

Can we just get some perspective please. Tomlin and Ben will get at least 1-2 more really good chances at hoisting another one together. Don't underestimate the power of being humbled. We'll see what comes from it.

Just ease off - who else would you want if not Tomlin? Is he a sexy new up and coming coach? Not anymore - there's some chinks in the armor - but, this could prepare us all for something even better down the road. I'll bitch, you'll bitch, we'll all bitch in the meantime - but, let's keep SOME faith.
I believe there were 2-3 afccg that we were in against the patriots that we got cheated out of victories. I have footage directly after the game of players saying, "its like they knew what play we were running every down" turns out they did...

Anyways, cowher built a legendary team and handed it over in its prime. If cowher didn't lose his passion for the game we would have won at least one more ring with him ad the HC. Basically Tomlin just got his drivers license and daddy handed him the keys to a Lamborghini, great, he got some ***** with it over the next few years, and now it needs a well overdue oil change, and little Mikey don't even know how to pop the hood. It's a new era for Pittsburgh, and its the era for coach to learn. Hopefully it's not a rough era, but its looking like we will be having a few.9-7 season's ahead of us.
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I believe there were 2-3 afccg that we were in against the patriots that we got cheated out of victories. I have footage directly after the game of players saying, "its like they knew what play we were running every down" turns out they did...

Anyways, cowher built a legendary team and handed it over in its prime. If cowher didn't lose his passion for the game we would have won at least one more ring with him ad the HC. Basically Tomlin just got his drivers license and daddy handed him the keys to a Lamborghini, great, he got some ***** with it over the next few years, and now it needs a well overdue oil change, and little Mikey don't even know how to pop the hood. It's a new era for Pittsburgh, and its the era for coach to learn. Hopefully it's not a rough era, but its looking like we will be having a few.9-7 season's ahead of us.
I usually slam the Tomlin-haters on here, but, you make a lot of good points.

Sure, Tomlin won a SB and took us to 2 in less time than it took Cowher. But Tomlin did not have to spend a decade and a half building that roster-- Cowher did.

Now that Cowher's guys are aging out, this team does seem to be in a tailspin of sorts. Our cap situation is upside down right now-- we have been spending most of our cap room to keep a number of aging, Cowher-era players around, at the expense of having no roster depth behind them. Now that they are getting old and getting hurt-- the backups behind them are not able to maintain the "standard".
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:15 PM   #55
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Uh what.. you're only backing up my argument son. As Cowhers players leave we are dropping in the ranks. And that all star crew of Tomlin players.... How many are legit? Pouncey and Brown.... The rest are unproven or lack discipline and are comfortable being 70% of what they could be. Let's see how many superbowl Tomlin gets to now that the team is mostly his now.... So far he off to an embarassing start... Take off your blinders, clean the snot out of your eyes and look at the truth man.

Jim benching a good quarterback to start a back up over him takes balls and it takes a move from a head coach that says what he means, and means what he says. Tomlin don't have what it takes to make great decisions. That's why year after year he fucks up routine in game decisions, and we see our younger, healthier 3rd year players riding the pine in place of some geriatric player who is well past their prime. The whole Aaron Smith handling was a joke 3 years of this guy's broken on the sidelines then we release a draft.pick to keep this guy part of the 53 man roster instead of IR him so we can actually use the spot for a player with a pulse. Big Bens injured ankle in San Fran shows how little control Tomlin has over the team. Tomlins a spineless coach with a lot of potential. He just needs to go with his gut and make HIS own decisions and catch up on situational football 101. I'm not saying to fire him, cause he is young and still learning a lot about the HC position. But what worries me about Tomlin is that I see the same mistakes over and over again, season after season. Lack of discipline on offense is the major flaw we have. I think we gave more games away under Tomlin than we have legitimately lost. Tomlin relies too much on his coordinators to run the ship, he also relies too much on Big Ben to win games. Tomlin must develop a disciplined o line and get back to being an effective run team again. Chumps who believe it's a passing league now are being fooled. Come playoff time it's all about running and defense. Tomlin puts the game in a player who misses 4 weeks out of the season, or is playing at 60% for 6 weeks out of the season. It doesn't take me 6 seasons to notice this, and it shouldn't take Tomlin 6 years either. This team needs to get back to its roots, it needs to get back to winning games, and not betting against Steelers when we are playing against 1-14 teams cause I know that I'll win the bet. You trying to honestly tell me that Tomlin is better than the Harbaughs when we consistently lose to the afc West? The team is on a downward spiral under Mike Tomlin and lack of discipline on offense, physicality on offense, lack of a running game, and TERRIBLE in game coaching decisions and situational football.

IF YOU LEARNED FROM YOUR MISTAKES TOMLIN, WE WOULD HAVE WON 3 MORE GAMES THIS SEASON, AND PROBABLY EVERY SEASON. GET THESE YOUNG MEN DISCIPLINED!

As far as your woulda coulda shoulda rant... Look who's back in the afccg, and the nfccg again. And look who didn't even make it to the playoffs this season. Any coach who STRUGGLES to win, and more often than not, CONSISTENTLY LOSES against the raiders, chiefs, and every other perennial two win team. Is NOT a good coach.... Just saying bro..... Tomlin coulda, shoulda, BUT wouldn'ta gotten our teams prepared to squash shit teams as mentioned, but prefers to fly back east with a notch in the L column... Tomlins a great coach..... Ha ha maybe in 15 years he be a legit GOOD-GREAT coach. as of now, he's just average with a good support group around him making him look better than he is.
You like going to the play-offs.
I like SuperBowl appearances & wins.

Both Harbaughs' SuperBowl appearances: 0.
Tomlin's SuperBowl appearances: 2.

BALLS
Did Jim benching of Alex Smith take balls? Absolutely. Will it win him a SuperBowl? Who knows. As of right now, he has ZERO SuperBowl appearances.

I'd say that the Pittsburgh version of a "ballsy move" was starting Harrison (who was rotting on the bench) and cutting the fan-favorite: Joey Porter. Now, THAT is just as ballsy as Jim's move.

COWHER'S PLAYERS
Here is the thing. Every time that a Tomlin bashing session starts, people always bring up Cowher's players... and it's a Catch-22 for those who defend Tomlin.

If one says that Tomlin's players are good (which I argue that they are: Pouncey, Wallace, et cetera were all good picks... plus, again starting Harrison was Tomlin's doing)... then the Tomlin-haters always say the same thing: "Tomlin is not getting the most out of those players."

If one says that Tomlin's players suck, then the Tomlin-haters say: "Tomlin is not good at drafting."

It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't type of scenario for Tomlin supporters.

BUT...

When that same type of logic is turned on Cowher (who I absolutely LOVE, by the way), the Tomlin-haters do not apply the same logic. In 2006, Cowher could not get "his" players to the play-offs, let alone the SuperBowl. Using the Tomlin-hater's logic: "Cowher is not getting the most out of those players."

Lastly, Cowher left Tomlin with the worst O-line to win a SuperBowl. That alone should make people respect Tomlin just a little bit. Justin Hartwig... really???

NOLL'S PLAYERS
Again, I love Cowher, but every time someone mentions Cowher's players in regards to Tomlin... well... Noll's players should also be mentioned in regards to Cowher. I listed this several times (seemingly, every other week)... but, here is a truncated version: Greg Lloyd, Rod Woodson, Dermontti Dawson, Carnell Lake, Jeff Graham, Ernie Mills, Eric Green, Barry Foster, Gary Jones, Thomas Everett, Justin Stryzcyck, Jerol Williams, Gerald Williams, Hardy Nickerson, Merril Hoge... et cetera...

And, it took Cowher 4 years to get his team to the SuperBowl (versus going twice in Tomlin bhis first four seasons & winning one of them).

TAPERIOTS
We agree. Those cheaters robbed the Steelers of one (if no0t two) SuperBowl appearances. You nailed that one!!! [That is why I can NOT believe that some people are rooitng for the Taperiots. EFf that!!! I hate the Taperiots worse than any other team.]
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I usually slam the Tomlin-haters on here, but, you make a lot of good points.

Sure, Tomlin won a SB and took us to 2 in less time than it took Cowher. But Tomlin did not have to spend a decade and a half building that roster-- Cowher did.

Now that Cowher's guys are aging out, this team does seem to be in a tailspin of sorts. Our cap situation is upside down right now-- we have been spending most of our cap room to keep a number of aging, Cowher-era players around, at the expense of having no roster depth behind them. Now that they are getting old and getting hurt-- the backups behind them are not able to maintain the "standard".
I love Cowher... but, I have to defend Tomlin.

Cowher had a lot of Noll's players, and when those players got old and/or were off of the roster (Lake, Dawson, Woodson)... the team started missing the play-offs... badly... like a "six-win season" badly.
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In 6 seasons, we' have to experience two off years at 9-7, and then 8-8. If we see another playoff-less season then I'd start worrying - not now, let's see where these changes take us and get through some growing panis
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I love Cowher... but, I have to defend Tomlin.

Cowher had a lot of Noll's players, and when those players got old and/or were off of the roster (Lake, Dawson, Woodson)... the team started missing the play-offs... badly... like a "six-win season" badly.
In Cowher's defense, though, this team got CLOBBERED during the early years of free agency. We spent the latter part of the nineties being not much more than a farm team to the likes of the Niners and Cowboys. Draft 'em, develop 'em, then watch 'em leave through the revolving door of Three Rivers as soon as their rookie contract was up for more money.
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In 6 seasons, we' have to experience two off years at 9-7, and then 8-8. If we see another playoff-less season then I'd start worrying - not now, let's see where these changes take us and get through some growing panis
With some of the talk from the front office of late, I have steeled myself to the possibility that we are in rebuilding mode. A couple of 8-8 seasons or worse, are on the way.

Has less to do with Tomlin, than it does with the birds coming home to roost from certain financial choices in the last four seasons.

I think Dan Rooney came home from Ireland to kick junior's arse, for mucking up his team.

I can't stand either Harbaugh, but have to admit they are good coaches though.

Everytime I see John Harbaugh's face, I want to kick it in. I think if you looked up c0xucker in the dictionary, his face is there. But his team is in the playoffs and we aren't going anywhere-- again.

A couple years ago, the niners were a fucking joke. Singletary was no coach, that's for sure. My homie is a niners fan-- I remember how he used to scream at the TV and yell about how embarassing his team is everytime Alex Smith threw yet another costly pick.

Jim turned that team around with little or no roster movement. They are probably on their way to the Superbowl this year, while the Steelers are sitting home.

It is what it is. You can hate them, but give them their due.

Tomlin inherited a SB team. He did a great job coaching them to another win and another appearance. 2006 was proof that just having the roster is not enough-- they need a leader.

But now it is time for Tomlin and Kevin Colbert to show us they can build a winning team from scratch. Well, almost-- I doubt Ben goes anywhere, nor do a few other players under contract or that we need (please sign Keenan)..
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Oh man, how sweet is this?! Watching Steeler fans fret about how they wished they had JOHN HARBAUGH as their coach! Made my week!
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