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Old 01-21-2013, 09:46 AM   #11
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Ben made Holmes look like a World Beater - without Ben, Holmes has shown his true colors

We need a PHYSICAL guy - regardless of size. You know who fights for the ball? Cotchery - way more than the other guys, and thats a shame

No more track star/speed BS - POSSESSION IS KEY M'FERS! lol
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Old 01-21-2013, 09:57 AM   #12
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If anyone objectively watched these playoff games, you can plainly see that nearly every team in the tournament has better receivers than the Steelers.

Look at that wonderful highlight reel of Mike Wallace. Now show me the dazzling catches he has made with defenders all over him. Show me the ones where he is covered like a blanket and wrestles the ball from the defender. Show me the ones where he catches the ball with his hands in traffic and does a toe tap that would make a ballerina envious. How about all those crushing blocks he makes to help his teammates? Got any highlights like that?

I didn't think so.....

Face it. He's a good downfield threat. He's not a polished #1 receiver, and it's not even close.
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Anyone who thinks Torrey Smith or Anquan Boldin is better than Mike Wallace should be posting on the Ravens message board. Boldin is a possession receiver he is no where near Wallace's level (Boldin has caught 4 or less TDs in 5 of his seasons- how is he a red zone threat???). Torrey Smith is similar to Wallace- same height and build and is a speed guy just not as good (let me know when he catches more than 50 passes in a season until then stfu).

As far as Fitz (3rd overall pick), Andre Johnson (3rd overall pick), Calvin Johnson (2nd overall pick), Julio Jones (6th overall pick)- I hope the Steelers are never bad enough to get a receiver that good.

Please explain to me how the Steelers are going to get a better receiver than Wallace (who gets more separation from defenders than any other player in the league).
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:03 AM   #14
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We haven't given Brown a chance to be our number one receiver, so for you to say that he isn't capable of doing so is ridiculous.

They're still young and developing guys and we're ridiculously hard on them. People have to keep in mind that none of these guys are first or even second round WRs, but we still feel the need to rip them to shreds despite the obvious progression that they've had. The fact of the matter is, we don't know what our guys can do yet because they haven't been given the opportunity to play in a system that compliments their skillset without having Wallace be the number one target. If their numbers are still down come this time next year, we can start to look at picking up a new number one receiver. Until then, how about we stop bashing our entire roster?
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If you're talking about Santonio Holmes, he's only marginally better than Mike Wallace at catching and fighting for a ball. Otherwise, he was just as inconsistent and had the same poor attitude. Furthermore, he didn't help Mark Sanchez look any better than he is. If anything, Ben Roethlisberger made Holmes look better than he is.
oh i totally disagree. Holmes may be a knucklehead BUT he showed up in big games for both the Steelers and Jets. How many has wallace showed up for?
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oh i totally disagree. Holmes may be a knucklehead BUT he showed up in big games for both the Steelers and Jets. How many has wallace showed up for?
I've got to agree with this one big time. Holmes came up big in the big games for us. I don't know what he's done for the Jets, but when it mattered he came through for us.
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Having receivers like Wallace, Brown and sanders are great to have as long as you are not inside the 20. At that point their biggest asset (speed) is useless as that is when you need someone who can out jump, go over the middle, shake off a tackle or use other abilities other than speed.

That is why we struggle in the red zone and that is why Heath Miller caught so many TDs this year, he was our only red zone option.

The issue I have with Wallace is his effort this year. wasnt an issue in the past. Drops are part of being a receiver and again he was a 3rd round pick too. So we got more than we bargained for. In no way is he a #1 wr.

See above for Brown.

Look for New England to sign Wallace. In that offense he would have one role, go deep and thats all he wowuld need to do.
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Having receivers like Wallace, Brown and sanders are great to have as long as you are not inside the 20. At that point their biggest asset (speed) is useless as that is when you need someone who can out jump, go over the middle, shake off a tackle or use other abilities other than speed.

That is why we struggle in the red zone and that is why Heath Miller caught so many TDs this year, he was our only red zone option.

The issue I have with Wallace is his effort this year. wasnt an issue in the past. Drops are part of being a receiver and again he was a 3rd round pick too. So we got more than we bargained for. In no way is he a #1 wr.

See above for Brown.

Look for New England to sign Wallace. In that offense he would have one role, go deep and thats all he wowuld need to do.
I do not disagree that Wallace and Brown aren't great red zone threats but they can still get it done. Comparing these two receivers to the best in the NFL is unfair. In order to overachieve as much as they have I do not believe for a minute they aren't hard workers.

The Steelers are not going to be in a position to draft a top 5 wr. The best they could do is draft a first round TE for a red zone threat and that is going to happen this year.
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If anyone objectively watched these playoff games, you can plainly see that nearly every team in the tournament has better receivers than the Steelers.

Look at that wonderful highlight reel of Mike Wallace. Now show me the dazzling catches he has made with defenders all over him. Show me the ones where he is covered like a blanket and wrestles the ball from the defender. Show me the ones where he catches the ball with his hands in traffic and does a toe tap that would make a ballerina envious. How about all those crushing blocks he makes to help his teammates? Got any highlights like that?

I didn't think so.....

Face it. He's a good downfield threat. He's not a polished #1 receiver, and it's not even close.
yea, I won't get into the Wallace thing again - but, physicality and possession is lacking
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Im somewhat intrigued by a particular WR that Pittsburgh can grab so they decide to go for a big WR who can battle for the ball AFTER the first or 2nd round. I only hope the kid is available as a 3rd or 4th rounder because if his stock creeps into the 2nd round I dont know if Steelers go for him.

Aaron Dobson Marshall 6'2" 205 lb




There are better WRs of course, particularly one Cordarelle Patterson but for the purpose of replying on this thread this guy intrigues me some if he is still available. Now if Colbert really goes off and wants a WR in the first round then of course there are others and I like
Patterson quite a bit. But I doubt WR is a first round consideration for this Steelers team.


** And someone else here did post this kid in 3rd round of their mock rookie draft for Steelers, I just havent looked back. I found out about the kid over at

http://www.draftcountdown.com/index.html

Good info there too by the way in my opinion.
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