Lebeau Defenses not Championship Defenses

[Edman]

Originally Posted by lloydwoodson

Edman makes a good point. The only 3 years that the Steelers have missed the playoffs with Ben at QB the Steelers have finished out of the top 5 in points allowed.

11th in 2006
12th in 2009
6th in 2012

I blame the defense! Ben can't do everything!

The funny thing is that not even on their best years, the Defense still finished in the top half of the league. 6th in 2012, and the Steelers still miss the postseason. That is unfathomable. If a Defense that solid isn't good enough to do 8-8, I cringe to see what worse will do.

Imagine if the Defense were perpetually terrible/bottom rung like the Patriots and other teams. This team doesn't have a winning season, let alone makes the postseason.

[harrison'samonster]

the 2007 Giants were 17th in scoring giving up more than 30 pts. 5 times in the regular season. The 2011 Giants were 25th in scoring giving up 400 pts. in the regular season. You want to say these are championship quality defenses but ours over the past decade weren't?

[desertsteel]

Originally Posted by harrison'samonster

the 2007 Giants were 17th in scoring giving up more than 30 pts. 5 times in the regular season. The 2011 Giants were 25th in scoring giving up 400 pts. in the regular season. You want to say these are championship quality defenses but ours over the past decade weren't?

Do you remember the Colts title? Their defense absolutely sucked all season and yet somehow turned it on during the playoffs.

[steelfury02]

Originally Posted by Edman

The funny thing is that not even on their best years, the Defense still finished in the top half of the league. 6th in 2012, and the Steelers still miss the postseason. That is unfathomable. If a Defense that solid isn't good enough to do 8-8, I cringe to see what worse will do.

Imagine if the Defense were perpetually terrible/bottom rung like the Patriots and other teams. This team doesn't have a winning season, let alone makes the postseason.

with the offense we HAVEN'T had - 4-12 team

[harrison'samonster]

the 2011 Green Bay Packers were 19th in scoring, yet a year before they had a championship quality defense? in 04 they were 23rd. 05 they were 19th. 06 they were 25th. 07 they were 6th. 08 they were 22nd. 09 they were 7th. when they beat us in 2010 they were 2nd (to us). They beat us in one SB and they are championship quality defense. We went 8-8 this season, had a bad first half of the season on D, and we still got the same ranking as their 2nd best in since 04!

[desertsteel]

Rob Ryan anybody?

[harrison'samonster]

Originally Posted by desertsteel

Rob Ryan anybody?

is he looking for a job? maybe we should give him a shot.

I do remember that Colts D, I remember thinking that they were better than they preformed. I also thought the same about the 2007 Giants.

That 2006 Colts team only held their opponent under 20 pts. 4 times in the regular season! Can you imagine Lebeau putting a Defense on the field like that here in Pittsburgh? They definitely played better in the post-season. Same with the 2008 Cardinals I remember them playing great on D throughout the playoffs that year.

[Steelers5895]

Originally Posted by harrison'samonster

the 2007 Giants were 17th in scoring giving up more than 30 pts. 5 times in the regular season. The 2011 Giants were 25th in scoring giving up 400 pts. in the regular season. You want to say these are championship quality defenses but ours over the past decade weren't?

yes i can say that. in the super bowls they went against the most historic regular season teams offensively and shut them down. Pretty much the same last year.

we lost to a lower ranked offense in the packers and arizona moved at will the last drive of the first half and the entire second half, to include a long td pass to take a lead.

thats the difference between a defense on a championship team and a championship defense.

[desertsteel]

Originally Posted by Steelers5895

yes i can say that. in the super bowls they went against the most historic regular season teams offensively and shut them down. Pretty much the same last year.

we lost to a lower ranked offense in the packers and arizona moved at will the last drive of the first half and the entire second half, to include a long td pass to take a lead.

thats the difference between a defense on a championship team and a championship defense.

So if by chance we had made the super bowl this year and shut down the 49's, we would have the greatest defense of all time?

FORMULA for Championship Defense: Play like crap for 18 games and then play lights in the Super Bowl.

[harrison'samonster]

Originally Posted by Steelers5895

yes i can say that. in the super bowls they went against the most historic regular season teams offensively and shut them down. Pretty much the same last year.

we lost to a lower ranked offense in the packers and arizona moved at will the last drive of the first half and the entire second half, to include a long td pass to take a lead.

thats the difference between a defense on a championship team and a championship defense.

most historic regular season teams offensively? They were great, but in 2011 there were two offenses ranked higher. If the Patriots were the most historic offensive team in 07 and 2011, then what do you call the teams that were better than them in 2011?

If you want to discredit our team and put down their recent SB victories (Seattle it was the refs, ARZ and GB were poor offenses that moved on us at will), good for you. Fact is we've had a championship quality defense since Lebeau has been here.