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Old 01-22-2013, 11:31 AM   #81
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Wrong thread. This thread is about defense. Don't worry though, now we will get to see how great Arians is in the NFC West. In his first year he should have it fairly easy what with the strength of schedule being adjusted for a 5-11 team. (Kind of like how the Colts schedule had been adjusted for a 2-14 team).

Oh come on, you know I had to throw that in there!

As far as BA is concerned, I think he'll do very well as a HC and I think he'll surprise a lot of people.
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Old 01-22-2013, 12:33 PM   #82
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The Steelers reached three Super Bowls riding on the back of the Defense. Without that Defense, your hero Ben Roethlisberger doesn't have a single ring.

If you ask me, that constitutes a Championship Defense. This team has NO SHOT at winning JACK without the Defense. Especially in 2008.

Funny how you bring up 2009. That's true the Defense blew many leads that year, but once again it proves that this team isn't half as successful without the Defense. The Defense drops off, as we miss the playoffs at 9-7 in 2009. The fact that we have to rely on the Defense for plays and turnovers is proof of how low our expectations are for our annually mediocre Offense and overrated Franchise QB.

It's once again proof that Ben Roethlisberger is not an Elite QB, if we have to continually harp the responsibility on the team's failure on the Defense. To an Elite QB, your Defense shouldn't even matter. You should be good enough to win anyway. The Defense is the least, the LEAST of this team's problems.

Once again, this thread is throwing darts at a scapegoat, instead of heaping the responsibility on a certain guy wearing #7. The Defense didn't lose the Cincinnati game to knock the Steelers out of the playoffs.
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:02 PM   #83
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Edman makes a good point. The only 3 years that the Steelers have missed the playoffs with Ben at QB the Steelers have finished out of the top 5 in points allowed.

11th in 2006
12th in 2009
6th in 2012

I blame the defense! Ben can't do everything!
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The Steelers reached three Super Bowls riding on the back of the Defense. Without that Defense, your hero Ben Roethlisberger doesn't have a single ring.
And without Roethlisberger, this team is still chasing after ring #5. There are a couple decades worth of proof of that, including pretty much Cowher's entire tenure, until "guess who" came along, anyway.

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Once again, this thread is throwing darts at a scapegoat, instead of heaping the responsibility on a certain guy wearing #7. The Defense didn't lose the Cincinnati game to knock the Steelers out of the playoffs.
It didn't exactly do jack shit to win that game in Oakland earlier in the season when the offense put up 31 points either. Did the Raiders even manage to crack 20 points in a game the rest of the season?

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It didn't exactly do jack shit to win that game in Oakland earlier in the season when the offense put up 31 points either. Did the Raiders even manage to crack 20 points in a game the rest of the season?
That's not fair. The Raiders scored 34 points against the Steelers which was their highest output of the season.

It's hard to score points when you play top notch defenses all year long like the Saints (17), Dolphins (13), Panthers (6), Bengals (10), Browns (17), Chiefs (15).

It's Ben's fault the defense gave up 13 points in the 4th quarter after a 10 point lead. He only threw for almost 400 yards and 4 TD's.
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That's not fair. The Raiders scored 34 points against the Steelers which was their highest output of the season.

It's hard to score points when you play top notch defenses all year long like the Saints (17), Dolphins (13), Panthers (6), Bengals (10), Browns (17), Chiefs (15).

It's Ben's fault the defense gave up 13 points in the 4th quarter after a 10 point lead. He only threw for almost 400 yards and 4 TD's.
ben was having his BEST statistical year with a regressing wallace until he got hurt.

anyone who has had confidence in this defense in a big spot is blinded by what they want to see and believe.
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That's not fair. The Raiders scored 34 points against the Steelers which was their highest output of the season.

It's hard to score points when you play top notch defenses all year long like the Saints (17), Dolphins (13), Panthers (6), Bengals (10), Browns (17), Chiefs (15).

It's Ben's fault the defense gave up 13 points in the 4th quarter after a 10 point lead. He only threw for almost 400 yards and 4 TD's.
I rather have any of those defenses than ours. well, maybe not the saints, but its close.
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And without Roethlisberger, this team is still chasing after ring #5. There are a couple decades worth of proof of that, including pretty much Cowher's entire tenure, until "guess who" came along, anyway.
Yep. Ben played a role and a reason why the Steelers won #5, but he's not the driving force of those Super Bowl Teams. Again, anytime the Steelers D failed to be top-line, Ben can't do better than 9-7, and the Steelers missed the playoffs.

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The Defense had a bad game in Oakland and was the reason they lost that game. That was Week 3, and had since gotten it together.

With the Season on the line in December, it was the Defense that stepped up and put on a show. Ben proceeded to shit the bed. Season over.
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And without Roethlisberger, this team is still chasing after ring #5. There are a couple decades worth of proof of that, including pretty much Cowher's entire tenure, until "guess who" came along, anyway.
Is the answer Troy Polamalu?

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It didn't exactly do jack shit to win that game in Oakland earlier in the season when the offense put up 31 points either. Did the Raiders even manage to crack 20 points in a game the rest of the season?
Did the Steelers even manage to crack 30 points in a game the rest of the season?
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There is too many different things going on in this thread to reply to just one of them.

Dick Lebeau's defenses not Championship defenses? Maybe not every year, but to make a generalized statement like this is inaccurate. That 2008 defense was not only a championship defense, but it was one of the top 10 defenses all-time. You can't really argue against that one-- they were #1 in EVERY CATEGORY except stopping the run, which they fell behind Minnesota by .6 yards in the last game to finish out at #2 against the run.

Not sure what you were looking at with that one (or not looking at).

Big Ben verses great defenses? I have to side with EDMAN-- Ben played a major part, and I don't think we get ring 5 or 6 without him, but....he was NOT the major driving force in those wins. That was the defense.....
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