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Old 01-23-2013, 06:07 PM   #21
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Do you know anyone who hunts with an AR-15? I don't.

Obviously, the people who own these guns are gun enthusiasts. Nothing wrong with being a gun enthusiast. Nothing wrong with enjoying shooting an AR-15 or AK-47 or any other gun you can name.

I understand the argument against them..... I just don't agree with it. The vast majority of the people who own these guns are law abiding, contributing members of society. Why should they have to give up their passion because a few nut jobs can't deal with life? Nothing will keep those people from finding and using those guns just because they are banned. The criminal/unstable element will always find what they want, regardless of the laws. responsible people shouldn't be made to pay for the transgressions of nut jobs and criminals.

And no, I don't own any guns.
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Do you know anyone who hunts with an AR-15? I don't.

Obviously, the people who own these guns are gun enthusiasts. Nothing wrong with being a gun enthusiast. Nothing wrong with enjoying shooting an AR-15 or AK-47 or any other gun you can name.

I understand the argument against them..... I just don't agree with it. The vast majority of the people who own these guns are law abiding, contributing members of society. Why should they have to give up their passion because a few nut jobs can't deal with life? Nothing will keep those people from finding and using those guns just because they are banned. The criminal/unstable element will always find what they want, regardless of the laws. responsible people shouldn't be made to pay for the transgressions of nut jobs and criminals.

And no, I don't own any guns.
You do now.

It's nothing more than a .223, works great for rock chucks and coyotes.
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As far as the government coming in guns a-blazing to take guns away from citizens, I don't recall the bloodbath when totalitarian Australia instituted their laws. In fairness to your point, I suspect that Attorneys General - like Janet Reno - will always get woodies flexing their muscles in compound/weapons cache situations like Ruby Ridge and Waco.

Going back to the Australian situation, I think it speaks to Mom's point in that they had a buy-back program that targeted handguns, for the reasons Mom cites. Getting rocket launchers off the streets might me a no-brainer, but if no one is committing crimes with rocket launchers then it's kind of pointless.

The guns need to go away. People should learn to be braver and more creative with their psychoses, and I'm confidant that Americans will rise to the occasion and find exciting new ways to kill each other, even if it has to be at a dramatically slower pace.

Regarding fighting government tyranny, that's what organizing is for. Guns work at cross-purposes to organizing efforts. No one wants to hang out with people toting guns. Something about them makes people skittish for some unknown reason.
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As far as the government coming in guns a-blazing to take guns away from citizens, I don't recall the bloodbath when totalitarian Australia instituted their laws. In fairness to your point, I suspect that Attorneys General - like Janet Reno - will always get woodies flexing their muscles in compound/weapons cache situations like Ruby Ridge and Waco.

Going back to the Australian situation, I think it speaks to Mom's point in that they had a buy-back program that targeted handguns, for the reasons Mom cites. Getting rocket launchers off the streets might me a no-brainer, but if no one is committing crimes with rocket launchers then it's kind of pointless.

The guns need to go away. People should learn to be braver and more creative with their psychoses, and I'm confidant that Americans will rise to the occasion and find exciting new ways to kill each other, even if it has to be at a dramatically slower pace.

Regarding fighting government tyranny, that's what organizing is for. Guns work at cross-purposes to organizing efforts. No one wants to hang out with people toting guns. Something about them makes people skittish for some unknown reason.
You need to get out more.


Yeah lets ban all guns so we can be just like Mexico, a giant gun free zone.
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Yeah lets ban all guns so we can be just like Mexico, a giant gun free zone.
I get out more than enough, and trust me, in LA if the guns come out there's only one reason, and it ain't for fun.

As for Mexico, really? You picked a country falling apart at the seams to make your point? Yes, let's use Iraq, Afghanistan and Mexico to make our points here. Pick some other countries not in the middle of a war. You can even stay in the same neighborhood. Let's compare El Salvador (with almost no gun laws at all), Nicaragua (with comprehensive registration laws) and Costa Rica (with what you would consider draconian gun bans).

Let's put on our **IMAGINATION** caps and see if we can guess what sorts of gun homicide rates we will find in each of those countries if we were to look closely.

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62-Year-Old With Gun Only One Standing Between Nation And Full-Scale Government Takeover

NewsNews ISSUE 49•04 • Jan 22, 2013

Bailey, the last thing standing between the American people and a totalitarian state.

NORFOLK, VA—According to numerous reports, local 62-year-old Earl Bailey, who owns a shotgun and several boxes of ammunition, is currently the last bastion of defense between the United States of America and the federal government’s plot of a full-scale takeover.
Bailey, a recent retiree and a proud advocate of gun rights, has been confirmed by multiple sources as being a true patriot, and is, at present, the only person capable of preventing top-secret forces within the government from striking and forcefully coercing hundreds of millions of Americans to submit to a fascist and brutal New World Order.
Since the early 1990s, sources estimated the gun owner has staved off innumerable large-scale government threats, all from the center of his 12-acre ranch.
“It is every American’s right to be good and armed, and that’s a right that should always be protected,” said Bailey, now the sole American protecting the nation from the government’s hidden plot of disarming all citizens, gradually gaining control of the mass media, and installing martial law throughout the nation’s streets. “Our Founding Fathers intended for each and every one of us to protect ourselves from tyranny. That’s what America is all about.”
“What happens when the feds show up at your front door and start telling you how much meat you can eat or how to raise your kids?” continued the lifetime NRA member, brandishing the very weapon that now serves as the final hope of staving off a totalitarian state. “Is that the future you want?”
Bailey, who keeps his gun on his person at all times and regularly patrols his property in his truck, has reportedly struck dread into the very highest-ranking members of the U.S. government. According to sources, top government and military officials are fully aware that they remain unable to commence with their oppressive, systematic subjugation of the American populace as long as the 62-year-old owner of a rifle exists.
Additional reports confirmed that Bailey’s frequent practice of shooting his gun at empty bean cans in his backyard has repeatedly forced government officials to reassess both their ground and air strategies for the impending takeover.
“The way I see it, the Second Amendment’s been keeping this nation free and secure for well over 200 years,” Bailey said, valiantly standing in front of his home that is constantly being monitored by CIA agents and elite Special Forces operatives, who are told to maintain a safe distance from the formidable 62-year-old. “First they’ll come for our guns and next…well, shoot, I don’t really plan on ever seeing what the hell happens next.”
While the federal government is more than adequately prepared to begin the first phase of its plan of convoying Second Amendment adherents to newly established FEMA concentration camps, high-level members of the Obama Administration involved in the widespread conspiracy confirmed that they have been forced to resort to alternate methods due solely to Bailey’s heroics.
“As long as there’s someone like Earl out there with a gun and ammunition, we are unable to carry out our attack on America,” said Maxwell Caufield, a covert military leader in charge of the operation to turn the country into an authoritarian, one-party state wherein the basic rights of citizens are stripped away in order to create total government control. “Try as we did to spread our distorted gun control propaganda—claiming that it would protect innocent people across the country from needless deaths—the man just wouldn’t bite. There is simply nothing we can do about Earl and his gun, damn him.”
“You’ve got to hand it to him, really,” Caufield added. “If it weren’t for Earl, you’d be looking at a totally different country.”



The really funny thing about this line of thinking is that, of course, the guns have prevented nothing of the sort. The fascists are here and loving it.
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What about hunters? There are a lot of people in this country that use their guns legally to feed their families (and save quite a bit of money in the process). Should we force them to become vegetarians/farmers instead?
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As far as the government coming in guns a-blazing to take guns away from citizens, I don't recall the bloodbath when totalitarian Australia instituted their laws. In fairness to your point, I suspect that Attorneys General - like Janet Reno - will always get woodies flexing their muscles in compound/weapons cache situations like Ruby Ridge and Waco.

Going back to the Australian situation, I think it speaks to Mom's point in that they had a buy-back program that targeted handguns, for the reasons Mom cites. Getting rocket launchers off the streets might me a no-brainer, but if no one is committing crimes with rocket launchers then it's kind of pointless.

The guns need to go away. People should learn to be braver and more creative with their psychoses, and I'm confidant that Americans will rise to the occasion and find exciting new ways to kill each other, even if it has to be at a dramatically slower pace.

Regarding fighting government tyranny, that's what organizing is for. Guns work at cross-purposes to organizing efforts. No one wants to hang out with people toting guns. Something about them makes people skittish for some unknown reason.
To your last point, about people with guns not wanting to hang out together...I call BS. We hang out together at gun ranges, and gun shows all the time, no problems (well, except for some random, and atypical accidents like happened last week...but that can be addressed easily). I've never once feared for my life when going out to do some target shooting.

We are not Iceland (or I should say, we don't have Iceland's gov't). If we ever plan to overthrow our gov't, it's not going to be with pots and pans lol. And you're right...we have staved off nothing. And efforts to do so have been small, unorganized, and ineffective. My point still stands though. You're utopian dream of fixing our gov't with words isn't going to happen either, or else it would have been fixed a long time ago. It's just the way it is with tyrannical superpowers.
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I get out more than enough, and trust me, in LA if the guns come out there's only one reason, and it ain't for fun.

As for Mexico, really? You picked a country falling apart at the seams to make your point? Yes, let's use Iraq, Afghanistan and Mexico to make our points here. Pick some other countries not in the middle of a war. You can even stay in the same neighborhood. Let's compare El Salvador (with almost no gun laws at all), Nicaragua (with comprehensive registration laws) and Costa Rica (with what you would consider draconian gun bans).

Let's put on our **IMAGINATION** caps and see if we can guess what sorts of gun homicide rates we will find in each of those countries if we were to look closely.

Pick and choose pot meet kettle.

Where I'm from when the guns come out it's for hunting and target shooting. People open carry all the time it's nothing to see someone strapped. Does it make me feel like a scared little girl, no. Does it make me fear for my life, no. I understand it's a hell of a lot different in LA but not every place or person with a gun is like LA.


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We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

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You might shoot your eye out therefor they must be banned. Hope you like lettuce.

They say they're not after "hunting" rifles, yet, unless they have a pistil grip. But thats a slippery slope when the government gets involved it wont be long till they want them all.
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