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Old 01-30-2013, 01:29 PM   #21
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That's great, but one would have to make the assumption that drafting well would ultimately lead to playing well, but that hasn't been the case. I don't know what to make of it honestly. It's definitely misleading.

I get the point of the article and where you're coming from, but it's a little iffy. I mean, it's almost a kiss of death to be at the top of that list ya know.
Or maybe we aren't looking at the data in the correct context?

This is a list of drafting success from the last 10 years. How many of Cowher's players that took us to the last 3 Superbowls were drafted in the last 10 years and count against this tally? Most of them were probably drafetd around the very beginnning of that draft period, and tend to skew the results.

How we drafted in the last 4 or 5 years would not show up in our win percentages until several years later-- which is what we may be looking at today. A series of sub-par drafts have put us at a difficult crossroads, overpaying a bunch of aging veterans, while not having the money to sign any descent depth to our roster behind those guys.

Sure, we won 2 SBs and visited 3-- but some of that success was due to parts put in palce prior to, or near the edge of this statistical study. We have not drafted well in the last 10 years-- not enough to maintain the level of success we have enjoyed. And we are now seing the drop-off in 8-8 seasons and getting knocked out of the playoffs by Timmy Tryhard.

If you look, the Browns appear to be on the rise, while the Steelers are in decline.

But also, as someone already stated, going purely by the number of starts is misleading. Teams like the Browns routinely draft players to fill immediate needs, thus more of their rookies will get starting time and teh results get skewed even further.
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Old 01-30-2013, 01:45 PM   #22
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Sure, we won 2 SBs and visited 3-- but
This statement, embedded in so many posts around here lately, never, ever ceases to amaze me.

Some take this so lightly, as if every team was going to the super bowl on a regular basis, therefore, caveats need to be added.
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:16 PM   #23
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This statement, embedded in so many posts around here lately, never, ever ceases to amaze me.

Some take this so lightly, as if every team was going to the super bowl on a regular basis, therefore, caveats need to be added.
Yeah... but... when Chargers fans walk up to me & declare, "We had the best draft in the past decade!!!"... well... how will I ever respond to THAT!?!

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Old 01-30-2013, 02:40 PM   #24
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Shitty teams with shitty players draft high. Those players drafted usually play immediately because those teams have shitty players. Just because they replace shitty players doesn't mean they can play any better than the shitty player they replaced. Therefore, the new shitty players continue the downward slide of the shitty franchises causing them to pick more shitty players to start immediately............repeat...............repeat . And that, my friends, is how shit is made.

What genius came up with starts being such an important part of these rankings? Unbelievable.....
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:20 PM   #25
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lol the chefs,

team changes coaches as much as i change my underwear....


how peachy we now have 2 former chefs coaches on our staff
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:50 PM   #26
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i couldnt stand the last time we got a player from the lowly Rams, or that one time we got our D coordinator back from the crappy Bengals, or that LB from the lowly Jets

I REALLY HATE that guy who was assistant under Marty with Browns and Chiefs I hate that QB coach from 07-09 who played on the crappy ass Bengals.

Get my point?
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i couldnt stand the last time we got a player from the lowly Rams, or that one time we got our D coordinator back from the crappy Bengals, or that LB from the lowly Jets

I REALLY HATE that guy who was assistant under Marty with Browns and Chiefs I hate that QB coach from 07-09 who played on the crappy ass Bengals.

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Exactly! Even when these loser teams have great pieces, many times they don't realize what they have. That's why they lose consistently.
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Exactly! Even when these loser teams have great pieces, many times they don't realize what they have. That's why they lose consistently.
yup - the ownership and scouting personnel on teams that have consistently loss tend to lose their better talents to better opportunities
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Can we really get a ready on some of these late round players? Steelers very rarely play their first rounders in year 1 let along a 4th rounder. So we never know if we have any gems drafted late.
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