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Old 02-09-2013, 08:11 PM   #41
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Buddy Dial is the only Steelers receiver to have ever scored more touchdowns in his first 4 years than Mike Wallace and he did it starting in 1959. Dial scored 33 touchdowns in those 4 years and I can compare him to Wallace because it wasn't the 1970s- it was the 1950s a glory era for the pro football passing attack.

No one has even mentioned dial. I guess sports media wasn't as big an influence in the 1950s.
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Old 02-09-2013, 08:17 PM   #42
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okay, I'll give you that, Mike Wallace is comparable to Buddy Dial.
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okay, I'll give you that, Mike Wallace is comparable to Buddy Dial.
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Default Re: Mike Wallace vs Swann, Ward etc.

Michael Irvin had 20 TDs. Cris Carter had 22. Isaac Bruce had 28.

It's completely apples and oranges and comparing these guys to guys from the 70's is absolutely ridiculous. Why don't we compare Brady's and Brees' 5000+ yard seasons and look back with dismay at every single Quarterback in that time frame, too? Current day stats =/= stats in the 70s and comparing them is laughable.

Calvin Johnson had 33 TDs in his first four seasons - is Mike Wallace as talented as Megatron?

edit -- Mike Wallace has an elite Quarterback and arguably the best Steelers Quarterback in team history throwing to him and you're surprised that a guy that can run in straight lines has a bunch of receiving TDs? I don't see why this is so surprising and, fyi, Mike isn't one of the best Steelers WRs and to suggest he is would be kind of mind-boggling. I should run Mike's fanclub, but I'm also realistic and able to recognize that this isn't a fair nor reasonable comparison.
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Can't get mad at Wallace for being a good negotiator and about his money. Any person on here that calls themselves a "true conservative" will tell you 'it's capitalism at it's finest' ! Wallace himself knows the facts that lloydwoodson ran down in frame #1 of this thread, and he's using it to his full advantage. Can't get mad at him for that !
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Buddy Dial is the only Steelers receiver to have ever scored more touchdowns in his first 4 years than Mike Wallace and he did it starting in 1959. Dial scored 33 touchdowns in those 4 years and I can compare him to Wallace because it wasn't the 1970s- it was the 1950s a glory era for the pro football passing attack.

No one has even mentioned dial. I guess sports media wasn't as big an influence in the 1950s.
Dial was one heck of a player. So of couse we traded him for the rights to Scott Appleton... who refused to come to Pittsburgh.....
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:43 PM   #47
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Default Re: Mike Wallace vs Swann, Ward etc.

you want the guy who held out for more than 10 million to produce less than 1000 yards this season? it's too bad most of his touchdowns came in garbage time in losing efforts. the giants game was the only game this season where he had a direct hand in a win. 10 million, i better get more than 1 game-winning effort in a season

and also sat out in the last game to avoid injury to prove that he himself thinks he's greater than the team

fuck him, i wouldn't take him for the vet minimum at this point, i don't want players like that on my team, period
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I believe Wallace tries. If he doesn't try and still scored as many touchdowns as Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald put together in 2012 that is very impressive.

Scouting reports are garbage. The scouting report on Tom Brady did not say one good thing about him - literally.

Wallace had not had more than 4 drops in a season until this year.

Lance Alworth scored 42 touchdowns in his first 4 years starting in 62, Don Maynard 22 starting in 58, Don Hutson 30 starting in 35, Ditka 30 starting in 62, Cliff Branch 22 starting in 72, Billy Howton 22 starting in 52... can I compare them to players in the 70s?

This whole "new NFL" thing is a nice marketing gimmick and is true as a general rule but there have been excellent receivers and phenomenal passing attacks since the inception of the league.
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Anyone watching the games knows he has had more than 4 drops. The NFL's criteria for dropping a pass is a joke. Did Owens have good hands? No.

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They are correct about Wallace. What does Wallace bring besides a great 40 time? He doesn't have good hands. He isn't a good route runner. His effort is poor as are his fundamentals

Sorry, but I wouldn't want a player on the team who decides when he wants to catch the ball.
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you want the guy who held out for more than 10 million to produce less than 1000 yards this season? it's too bad most of his touchdowns came in garbage time in losing efforts. the giants game was the only game this season where he had a direct hand in a win. 10 million, i better get more than 1 game-winning effort in a season

and also sat out in the last game to avoid injury to prove that he himself thinks he's greater than the team

fuck him, i wouldn't take him for the vet minimum at this point, i don't want players like that on my team, period
this x billion. if he didn't take a 10 mil contract - which is a totally respectable and more than fair contract - then that is telling.

Mr. Pull Up and Slow Down Cause the Safety is Coming looks real great catching a ball thrown 5 yards to the side and out running everyone. When it comes to fighting for the ball and catching the hard ones, showing up in make or break games or situations, and generally helping to take the pressure off of his QB - he is absolute dog shit.

I really don't care what Swann and Stallworth say - it has no bearing in recent critical situations and playoff games where we might as well go with 2 receiver sets 'cause he's non existent. Where is Wallace's defining moment where he helped propel the team forward? I see some highlights of long bombs every now and then - BUT THAT'S IT Again, good riddance.

When the guy contributes to a huge division winning or playoff game winning effort, sign him up - otherwise, good riddance . . .
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That's a good one.
That is hilarious!!!

I remember Swann getting clocked, well not clocked but clothes-lined in the playoffs, going to the hospital for a few days, and being the MVP 2 weeks later. Wallace looks for flags when he gets pushed a little. Go back and watch some of the hits, and some of the really late hits the WR's took back then.

A respectable WR these days, even though he is on the Rats team is Boldin. He can catch the ball in traffic, while he is fighting off defenders. He at least fights for the ball and not for a flag. Anyway just my 2 cents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...Jyn_Y8zSU&NR=1 start watching about 3:35 to see hit on Swann.
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