Hunt for three key draftees heats up for Steelers

***Galax Steeler*** · 02-20-2013, 03:52 AM

By Gerry Dulac / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

INDIANAPOLIS -- Kevin Colbert already has framed the offseason plan for the Steelers. He and coach Mike Tomlin are not going to stand pat after an 8-8 season in which the team lost three of its final four games to miss the playoffs.

Not to mention the need to deal with serious salary-cap issues.

The road to change begins Thursday when the NFL combine gets under way at Lucas Oil Stadium, a six-day testing and research mission in which the Steelers need to further define the players they will seek to help them in the April draft.

And, for the first time since 2004, they need to find at least two skill players on offense -- a wide receiver and running back -- and an edge rusher who can pressure the quarterback on defense, something team president Art Rooney II suggested would help the team create more takeaways.

What's more, the Steelers cannot afford to use their No. 1 draft pick on a player who will be groomed to play in another year or two. That's a luxury they can afford after a Super Bowl season when not many roster openings are available. Not now.

With 17 unrestricted free agents, they need players to come in and play immediately, especially the one who will be the 17th overall pick.

While this crop of collegiate players does not have a defining star such as Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III on offense or Von Miller or Ndamukong Suh on defense, it is considered a good year for defensive ends who project as outside linebackers in the NFL.

"I wouldn't want a top-10 pick this year," NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said in a conference call. "I think the fifth pick in the draft and the 25th pick in this draft are very similar. The top 10 picks, I don't see the difference-makers that we've had the last several years."

The combine might help to sort out some of that top-10 uncertainty, but, either way, that could bode well for the Steelers.

There is no question they need at least one wide receiver, and likely two, from the draft to give Ben Roethlisberger additional weapons. And there will be a need for that receiver to play immediately with the expected departure of Mike Wallace.

But, with postseason declarations from Colbert and Rooney about the lack of pressure, the need for a pass-rushing outside linebacker would appear to be tantamount. And that need is heightened because of the situation surrounding James Harrison, who will be 35 and is scheduled to make $6.57 million this season. Harrison is coming off a season in which he had six sacks in 13 games.

Some mock drafts have the Steelers selecting Georgia's Jarvis Jones (6-2, 242), a defensive end who is projected as an outside linebacker, in the first round. That would make sense to Mayock.

Other potential edge rushers who could be converted from defensive end are Ezekial Ansah of Brigham Young, Barkevious Mingo of LSU, Alex Okafor of Texas and Dion Jordan of Oregon.

"He's explosive; he's tough; he's a playmaker," Mayock said of Jones, who had 28 sacks the past two seasons at Georgia. "He fits in that 4-3, which is what he already played, but some teams that are in the 3-4 like him. The teams like Pittsburgh, they don't care as much about length as some of the other 3-4 teams do. Pittsburgh looks at an outside linebacker and says, 'Hey, he needs to be explosive. He needs to be able to disengage from blocks. He needs to be able to pressure a quarterback.'

"LaMarr Woodley. That's who those guys look like ... Harrison. They look more like him than they do some of the old-school, long 3-4 guys. So, yeah, some of the 3-4 teams will see him and say, 'Yes, he can play in what we do.' "

In other words, an edge rusher who can pressure the quarterback without the help of a scheme.

Inside linebackers Lawrence Timmons and Larry Foote accounted for 27 percent of the team's sacks in 2012 (10 of 37), but their pressure comes as a result of a scheme that springs them free.

Jones could be a top-10 pick, but his medical condition -- he was diagnosed with stenosis, a narrowing of the spinal column, in 2009 -- will receive much scrutiny at the combine. Mayock likes Jones more than Mingo (6-4, 230), who is being projected as a possible top-10 pick, if not top five.

"A lot of people have him in the top 10, I've got him at the end of the first round," Mayock said. "He's got a little bit of stiffness to him. He obviously runs very fast. When the ball goes away from him, he's fantastic. He's a run-and-chase linebacker. I think he's got some upside as a pass-rusher. There's nothing about the kid I don't like, I just don't see a top-10 guy today."

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...#ixzz2LQnuhnSM

Quackjack · 02-20-2013, 06:21 AM

Running Back

Running Back

Running Back

That is all

teegre · 02-20-2013, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quackjack

Running Back

Running Back

Running Back

That is all

I wouldn't draft three running backs...

wwhickok · 02-20-2013, 08:15 AM

I have a few gut feelings. Part of me believes they'll draft Jesse Williams. Another part of me believes they'll draft Manti Te'o. Neither of those address their biggest needs. My final gut feeling is that the #17 overall pick is going to ......

WR Cordarrelle Patterson or a trade back to acquire more picks and get Hopkins or Hunter in the first. I honestly believe Patterson is the pick. He is maybe one of a short list of guys that starts game 1.

wwhickok · 02-20-2013, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teegre

I wouldn't draft three running backs...

Lol me either

teegre · 02-20-2013, 08:33 AM

I still say Elam/Vaccaro.

Ed Bouchette mentions that this is Troy's final season & Clark will be a FA after this season... and, Ed also says that their replacements will be found in THIS draft. Hence, I see two safeties drafted (something I've wanted second to Elam is a safety tandem).

Since this is an extremely deep draft for safeties, they could wait (to my disdain)... but, I still would not be surprised is Elam/Vaccaro is the pick at 17.

When this defense has been dominant, it's had a great SS (and/or a very good tandem).

Shell... Wagner
Lake... Perry
Polamalu... Hope/Clark
Elam/Vaccaro... Swearinger/McDonald/Williams/Rambo/Jefferson

fer522 · 02-20-2013, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teegre

I wouldn't draft three running backs...

Me either I'd draft FIVE running backs

WVABE · 02-20-2013, 09:14 AM

Just watch, a qb early in the draft.

Vis · 02-20-2013, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwhickok

I Another part of me believes they'll draft Manti Te'o. .

You could be his new online girlfriend.

teegre · 02-20-2013, 10:09 AM

Elam aside...

Using solely the points made in this article as the criteria for the first three rounds of the draft, it would be one of these combinations:

OLB, RB, WR
OLB, WR, RB
WR, RB, OLB
WR, OLB, RB

First, RB in R1 is not an option, because there is no RB worthy of the 17th pick. Thus, those two options (RB, WR, OLB & RB, OLB, WR) were not listed.

After R1, the OLBs significantly drop off. Thus, it would make more sense to go for the OLB in R1, followed by either a WR then RB/a RB then WR. I truly do not feel that any of these WRs are really the best value at 17. Thus, let's assume that it is an OLB.

R1: OLB: Jarvis Jones, Dion Jordan, Barkevious Mingo, Sam Montgomery
(Bjeorn Werner, Demontre Moore)

Moving on to R2. If Eddie Lacy or Giovanni Bernard were there, they would be a solid pick (although, I'd prefer to go in another direction, those two players would be value picks). BUT, if those two are gone (which is most likely), then I say go after Tavon Austin, WVU. Sure, he's small, but he is dangerous.

Also, I like one of the three "Big E" TEs: Eiffert, Erzt, & Escobar. I think that a second TE would be great in the red-zone.

R2: WR: Tavon Austin, Robert Woods, Justin Huner, TE: Eiffert, Erzt, Escobar
(DeAndre Hopkins... RB: Eddie Lacy, Giovanni Bernard).

Now, we come to R3, where there will be a ton of RBs available (as well as some WRs who need some "polishing").

R3: RB: Montee Ball, Mike Gillislee, Marcus Lattimore WR: Aaron Dobson, Cobi Hamilton, Ryan Swope

Summation:
If I were to make the picks... and being realistic/not projecting Hopkins to be there in R2 (although "anything is possible")... here is what I'd take.

R1: Jarvis Jones, OLB
R2: Tavon Austin, WR
R3: Marcus Lattimore, RB

02-20-2013, 06:21 AM	#2
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02-20-2013, 08:15 AM	#4
wwhickok Starter Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Williamsport, PA Posts: 418 Gender: Male Member Number: 24713 Thanks: 9 Thanked 27 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Hunt for three key draftees heats up for Steelers I have a few gut feelings. Part of me believes they'll draft Jesse Williams. Another part of me believes they'll draft Manti Te'o. Neither of those address their biggest needs. My final gut feeling is that the #17 overall pick is going to ...... WR Cordarrelle Patterson or a trade back to acquire more picks and get Hopkins or Hunter in the first. I honestly believe Patterson is the pick. He is maybe one of a short list of guys that starts game 1. __________________ The Stong Conquer the Weak, The Mighty Make the Rules -- self-written.

02-20-2013, 08:33 AM	#6
teegre Living Legend Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 3,475 Member Number: 24108 Thanks: 1,000 Thanked 843 Times in 547 Posts	Re: Hunt for three key draftees heats up for Steelers I still say Elam/Vaccaro. Ed Bouchette mentions that this is Troy's final season & Clark will be a FA after this season... and, Ed also says that their replacements will be found in THIS draft. Hence, I see two safeties drafted (something I've wanted second to Elam is a safety tandem). Since this is an extremely deep draft for safeties, they could wait (to my disdain)... but, I still would not be surprised is Elam/Vaccaro is the pick at 17. When this defense has been dominant, it's had a great SS (and/or a very good tandem). Shell... Wagner Lake... Perry Polamalu... Hope/Clark Elam/Vaccaro... Swearinger/McDonald/Williams/Rambo/Jefferson

02-20-2013, 09:14 AM	#8
WVABE Bench Warmer Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 375 Member Number: 24111 Thanks: 116 Thanked 37 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Hunt for three key draftees heats up for Steelers Just watch, a qb early in the draft.

02-20-2013, 10:09 AM	#10
teegre Living Legend Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 3,475 Member Number: 24108 Thanks: 1,000 Thanked 843 Times in 547 Posts	Re: Hunt for three key draftees heats up for Steelers Elam aside... Using solely the points made in this article as the criteria for the first three rounds of the draft, it would be one of these combinations: OLB, RB, WR OLB, WR, RB WR, RB, OLB WR, OLB, RB First, RB in R1 is not an option, because there is no RB worthy of the 17th pick. Thus, those two options (RB, WR, OLB & RB, OLB, WR) were not listed. After R1, the OLBs significantly drop off. Thus, it would make more sense to go for the OLB in R1, followed by either a WR then RB/a RB then WR. I truly do not feel that any of these WRs are really the best value at 17. Thus, let's assume that it is an OLB. R1: OLB: Jarvis Jones, Dion Jordan, Barkevious Mingo, Sam Montgomery (Bjeorn Werner, Demontre Moore) Moving on to R2. If Eddie Lacy or Giovanni Bernard were there, they would be a solid pick (although, I'd prefer to go in another direction, those two players would be value picks). BUT, if those two are gone (which is most likely), then I say go after Tavon Austin, WVU. Sure, he's small, but he is dangerous. Also, I like one of the three "Big E" TEs: Eiffert, Erzt, & Escobar. I think that a second TE would be great in the red-zone. R2: WR: Tavon Austin, Robert Woods, Justin Huner, TE: Eiffert, Erzt, Escobar (DeAndre Hopkins... RB: Eddie Lacy, Giovanni Bernard). Now, we come to R3, where there will be a ton of RBs available (as well as some WRs who need some "polishing"). R3: RB: Montee Ball, Mike Gillislee, Marcus Lattimore WR: Aaron Dobson, Cobi Hamilton, Ryan Swope Summation: If I were to make the picks... and being realistic/not projecting Hopkins to be there in R2 (although "anything is possible")... here is what I'd take. R1: Jarvis Jones, OLB R2: Tavon Austin, WR R3: Marcus Lattimore, RB

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*Galax Steeler* The Virginia Hillbilly Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Galax Va Posts: 19,074 Gender: Male Member Number: 3287 Thanks: 50 Thanked 127 Times in 93 Posts	Hunt for three key draftees heats up for Steelers By Gerry Dulac / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette INDIANAPOLIS -- Kevin Colbert already has framed the offseason plan for the Steelers. He and coach Mike Tomlin are not going to stand pat after an 8-8 season in which the team lost three of its final four games to miss the playoffs. Not to mention the need to deal with serious salary-cap issues. The road to change begins Thursday when the NFL combine gets under way at Lucas Oil Stadium, a six-day testing and research mission in which the Steelers need to further define the players they will seek to help them in the April draft. And, for the first time since 2004, they need to find at least two skill players on offense -- a wide receiver and running back -- and an edge rusher who can pressure the quarterback on defense, something team president Art Rooney II suggested would help the team create more takeaways. What's more, the Steelers cannot afford to use their No. 1 draft pick on a player who will be groomed to play in another year or two. That's a luxury they can afford after a Super Bowl season when not many roster openings are available. Not now. With 17 unrestricted free agents, they need players to come in and play immediately, especially the one who will be the 17th overall pick. While this crop of collegiate players does not have a defining star such as Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III on offense or Von Miller or Ndamukong Suh on defense, it is considered a good year for defensive ends who project as outside linebackers in the NFL. "I wouldn't want a top-10 pick this year," NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said in a conference call. "I think the fifth pick in the draft and the 25th pick in this draft are very similar. The top 10 picks, I don't see the difference-makers that we've had the last several years." The combine might help to sort out some of that top-10 uncertainty, but, either way, that could bode well for the Steelers. There is no question they need at least one wide receiver, and likely two, from the draft to give Ben Roethlisberger additional weapons. And there will be a need for that receiver to play immediately with the expected departure of Mike Wallace. But, with postseason declarations from Colbert and Rooney about the lack of pressure, the need for a pass-rushing outside linebacker would appear to be tantamount. And that need is heightened because of the situation surrounding James Harrison, who will be 35 and is scheduled to make $6.57 million this season. Harrison is coming off a season in which he had six sacks in 13 games. Some mock drafts have the Steelers selecting Georgia's Jarvis Jones (6-2, 242), a defensive end who is projected as an outside linebacker, in the first round. That would make sense to Mayock. Other potential edge rushers who could be converted from defensive end are Ezekial Ansah of Brigham Young, Barkevious Mingo of LSU, Alex Okafor of Texas and Dion Jordan of Oregon. "He's explosive; he's tough; he's a playmaker," Mayock said of Jones, who had 28 sacks the past two seasons at Georgia. "He fits in that 4-3, which is what he already played, but some teams that are in the 3-4 like him. The teams like Pittsburgh, they don't care as much about length as some of the other 3-4 teams do. Pittsburgh looks at an outside linebacker and says, 'Hey, he needs to be explosive. He needs to be able to disengage from blocks. He needs to be able to pressure a quarterback.' "LaMarr Woodley. That's who those guys look like ... Harrison. They look more like him than they do some of the old-school, long 3-4 guys. So, yeah, some of the 3-4 teams will see him and say, 'Yes, he can play in what we do.' " In other words, an edge rusher who can pressure the quarterback without the help of a scheme. Inside linebackers Lawrence Timmons and Larry Foote accounted for 27 percent of the team's sacks in 2012 (10 of 37), but their pressure comes as a result of a scheme that springs them free. Jones could be a top-10 pick, but his medical condition -- he was diagnosed with stenosis, a narrowing of the spinal column, in 2009 -- will receive much scrutiny at the combine. Mayock likes Jones more than Mingo (6-4, 230), who is being projected as a possible top-10 pick, if not top five. "A lot of people have him in the top 10, I've got him at the end of the first round," Mayock said. "He's got a little bit of stiffness to him. He obviously runs very fast. When the ball goes away from him, he's fantastic. He's a run-and-chase linebacker. I think he's got some upside as a pass-rusher. There's nothing about the kid I don't like, I just don't see a top-10 guy today." Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...#ixzz2LQnuhnSM __________________

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