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Old 02-26-2013, 06:03 PM   #21
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Don't judge peoples talent by their 40 times. It's what Al Davis did and, well, the Raiders have been garbage for a decade. Those two things might be linked - just saying.

I wouldn't be upset if we got him, but we need a pass rusher in the first two rounds. I'd be happier with Mingo, but hey, to each their own.

If Harrison is kept, would you still prefer olb in first. Or let worlids prove himself this year and draft one next year if he doesn't show talent when splitting time.
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Old 02-26-2013, 06:15 PM   #22
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no thanks. dude just ran a 4.6 40 time. Way too slow for safety and for sure too high at 17.
You can't judge everything based on raw stats. Everyone thought for sure Brandon Spikes would be a bust because of his awful 40 time, but he's been rather solid for Bill Belichick.

The combine isn't necessarily a measure of on-the-field skill, as much as it is an indicator of what abilities the players need work on/excel at.
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If Harrison is kept, would you still prefer olb in first. Or let worlids prove himself this year and draft one next year if he doesn't show talent when splitting time.
Personally, I would rather them wait 'til next year and trade up for Clowney.
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no thanks. dude just ran a 4.6 40 time. Way too slow for safety and for sure too high at 17.
I hope that the first 16 teams in the draft think like you do.
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Hawaii 5-0....you are taking my first 3 picks. ;)

I dont know if Vaccaro will be there, but if he is, we should take him unless a great pass rusher is there. Lemonier will need a year or 2 behind.....Worilds unfortunately, but I like Lemonier a lot at OLB.
Swope wont be there in the 3rd with his combine performance, but we can hope.
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[QUOTE=teegre;1087385]I hope that the first 16 teams in the draft think like you do.[/QUOTE

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You're wrong. For a Corner, that would be too slow. Look at the safety #'s, that was about average among the Safeties. Only 3 or 4 hit a # in the 4.4 range. The ones that hit 4.2-4.3 were all corners. For safeties, the 40 time isn't as important as how they perform on the other drills. Hip movement, acceleration, footwork, etc.
Earl Thomas 4.4 range
Troy Polomalu 4.33
Eric Weddle 4.48
Eric Berry 4.4
Michael Griffin 4.42
Brandon Merriweather 4.47

Some good slower safeties including Adrian Wilson, Ed Reed, Jairus Byrd are still faster than him. I believe with the changing NFL with more passing, better TE, wide open attacks...you can't excel with 4.6 safeties. Sorry the facts back it up. You can make plays at the collegiate level in a bad conference but that lack of speed can be exposed at the next level. I love everything else and if he falls to 2nd I would jump on him...just think he killed his chances at top 20 and for us we'd be better served by trading back or taking LT (as this is great draft for OL and we should be able to get huge upgrade at 17), cb (obviously), or OLB (another obvious. At 17 that best player available list wouldn't include Vaccaro. He might not even be first safety taken.
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Would love this pick!!! Or Elam??!!

I would be pleased with either
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Earl Thomas 4.4 range
Troy Polomalu 4.33
Eric Weddle 4.48
Eric Berry 4.4
Michael Griffin 4.42
Brandon Merriweather 4.47

Some good slower safeties including Adrian Wilson, Ed Reed, Jairus Byrd are still faster than him. I believe with the changing NFL with more passing, better TE, wide open attacks...you can't excel with 4.6 safeties. Sorry the facts back it up. You can make plays at the collegiate level in a bad conference but that lack of speed can be exposed at the next level. I love everything else and if he falls to 2nd I would jump on him...just think he killed his chances at top 20 and for us we'd be better served by trading back or taking LT (as this is great draft for OL and we should be able to get huge upgrade at 17), cb (obviously), or OLB (another obvious. At 17 that best player available list wouldn't include Vaccaro. He might not even be first safety taken.
40 speed isn't game speed.

Regardless:

Jairus Byrd clocked in at 4.68.
Kam Chancellor at 4.62.
Dashon Goldson at 4.65.

Vaccaro will be fine.
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