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Old 04-06-2013, 06:46 PM   #11
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(I seriously doubt he was using the gay slurs in the traditional sense, ie not trying to call the kids gay)
Oh, it's okay to call people ******s and pussies as long as you're not insinuating that they're gay.

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Old 04-06-2013, 06:54 PM   #12
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Oh, it's okay to call people ******s and pussies as long as you're not insinuating that they're gay.

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that seems to be something a lot of people don't understand, especially kids. I'm surprised the players would speak up for a coach that acted this way. Is it a job of a coach to imitate juvenile behavior to prep you for competitors? Doesn't seem that way to me.

A coach should be a role model to their players, especially when dealing with younger players. I hate to use this example all the time, but that's why I dislike the Harbaugh's, they both come off as whiners on the sideline.
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Old 04-06-2013, 07:34 PM   #13
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Oh, it's okay to call people ******s and pussies as long as you're not insinuating that they're gay.

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If they can't handle it, why are they playing a sport lol.

tough love. prepping players for what they're going to experience. trying to get a response from a player who isn't doing their job. Every coach is different and have different ways of handling it. You think Cowher was nice to his players when they fucked up? c'mon. Shit like this (short of the ball throwing) works.

What really pisses me off is that the players didn't have a problem with it themselves, neither did the school for the most part, but when tape gets out to the media, everyone who isn't involved is suddenly an expert and knows what's right for them.

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that seems to be something a lot of people don't understand, especially kids. I'm surprised the players would speak up for a coach that acted this way. Is it a job of a coach to imitate juvenile behavior to prep you for competitors? Doesn't seem that way to me.

A coach should be a role model to their players, especially when dealing with younger players. I hate to use this example all the time, but that's why I dislike the Harbaugh's, they both come off as whiners on the sideline.
Other than the ball throwing I don't see what's so juvenile about his behavior. Players respond to coaches getting in their faces. It builds mental toughness unlike anything else. If you can handle your coach yelling and insulting your play, opposing players and road games are nothing. And everybody knows how raucous college basketball crowds can get.

And who's to say he isn't a role model? Because he got mad a few times? From all accounts the players liked and respected him. Different coaches have different methods and most of them are viable, especially since there are only a few basic archetypes of those methods that most coaches use. This dude is in the Bob Knight mold. And it clearly worked for Knight.
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Knight is still unrespected among many people I talk to, whether he's popular at this point or not.

I say he isn't a role model. What's wrong with teaching good sportsmanship? He's not doing that with that with the way he carries himself. This coach reacts out of frustration and not in an attempt to teach them anything. There's a huge difference between getting in a players face and challenging them, and what he was doing. He'd push them around with cheap little shoves or throw the ball at them. That's not coaching.

I'm dissapointed that the school only fired him after the public saw this video as well, but that doesn't make what he did ok.
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Knight is still unrespected among many people I talk to, whether he's popular at this point or not.

I say he isn't a role model. What's wrong with teaching good sportsmanship? He's not doing that with that with the way he carries himself. This coach reacts out of frustration and not in an attempt to teach them anything. There's a huge difference between getting in a players face and challenging them, and what he was doing. He'd push them around with cheap little shoves or throw the ball at them. That's not coaching.

I'm dissapointed that the school only fired him after the public saw this video as well, but that doesn't make what he did ok.
Was he not teaching good sportsmanship? We only saw that little reel of very few practices over a very long year. Those are him at his worst. We don't know what he was like at his best. The players do, and they've supported him so far. He can't be that bad a guy. Shit happens. He wasn't right, but he isn't evil, and doesn't deserve to have his career ruined over it. The school didn't see anything to fire him over. He paid his due to them (he was fined and suspended) before it all came out to the media. That, along with his kids liking him should be enough to say he's a decent dude who let his emotions get to him.
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Was he not teaching good sportsmanship? We only saw that little reel of very few practices over a very long year. Those are him at his worst. We don't know what he was like at his best. The players do, and they've supported him so far. He can't be that bad a guy. Shit happens. He wasn't right, but he isn't evil, and doesn't deserve to have his career ruined over it. The school didn't see anything to fire him over. He paid his due to them (he was fined and suspended) before it all came out to the media. That, along with his kids liking him should be enough to say he's a decent dude who let his emotions get to him.
One incident of frustration happens, a few are ok. But this video shows a series of them. You're right we don't know everything. I personally would have liked to see him get a suspension or some anger management training instead of being fired, and that's what I think he needs. If he was teaching good sportmanship, he was throwing it all away with every shove or throw of the ball. Actions speak louder than words. And video evidence doesn't talk, it screams.

However, the official's at the school didn't exactly demonstrate that they could be trusted to determine a proper punishment (they fired a guy who reported the coaches behavior).
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One incident of frustration happens, a few are ok. But this video shows a series of them. You're right we don't know everything. I personally would have liked to see him get a suspension or some anger management training instead of being fired, and that's what I think he needs. If he was teaching good sportmanship, he was throwing it all away with every shove or throw of the ball. Actions speak louder than words. And video evidence doesn't talk, it screams.

However, the official's at the school didn't exactly demonstrate that they could be trusted to determine a proper punishment (they fired a guy who reported the coaches behavior).
You're making good points, but I still don't think it was as detrimental as you do. Let's agree to disagree
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always a pleasure having a conversation with somebody who is rational and doesn't take things personally, even if we disagree!

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