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Old 04-20-2013, 12:53 AM   #31
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This draft being deep is why letting Sanders go to NE made sooooo much sense. Instead, we resign him, have no money for Bradshaw and he walks for nothing next year a an UFA! Damn it!
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Old 04-20-2013, 01:00 AM   #32
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cant trade and get too many picks. have to be able to sign them
1. Picks don't cost as much as they used to.

2. By dropping back, the 30th pick is much less expensive than the 17th pick... and third rounders are very cheap.

3. Once drafted, the can always cut some of the other lower-tiered back-ups (or even an expensive player).
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Old 04-20-2013, 01:05 AM   #33
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Picks do not cost as much, but no impact players in the 1st rounds is a franchise killer
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Old 04-20-2013, 01:29 AM   #34
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Picks do not cost as much, but no impact players in the 1st rounds is a franchise killer
So true.
But, this draft is not like most drafts.

There usually is a top tier (1-12), followed by a second tier (13-25) and then the third tier progresses through the end of R1 & into R2 (26-50). Then, it's usually a matter of "best fit" for each team (50-100).

This year, there really isn't much of a top tier, but the second tier is huge (1-35) followed by an even bigger third tier (35-100).

In other words, while most years, you want a top ten (first tier) followed by a top 50 (third tier)... this year, the third tier lasts almost twice as long (100). Ergo, this is THE year to have multiple R2 and/or R3 picks.
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So true.
But, this draft is not like most drafts.

There usually is a top tier (1-12), followed by a second tier (13-25) and then the third tier progresses through the end of R1 & into R2 (26-50). Then, it's usually a matter of "best fit" for each team (50-100).

This year, there really isn't much of a top tier, but the second tier is huge (1-35) followed by an even bigger third tier (35-100).

In other words, while most years, you want a top ten (first tier) followed by a top 50 (third tier)... this year, the third tier lasts almost twice as long (100). Ergo, this is THE year to have multiple R2 and/or R3 picks.
And that is why I've been saying they need to trade down and get an extra pic.
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And that is why I've been saying they need to trade down and get an extra pic.
We think alike.
And, Todd McShay agrees*.

* (He predicts that the Steelers are trading down... unless, of course, a few certain players are there at 17.)
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So true.
But, this draft is not like most drafts.

There usually is a top tier (1-12), followed by a second tier (13-25) and then the third tier progresses through the end of R1 & into R2 (26-50). Then, it's usually a matter of "best fit" for each team (50-100).

This year, there really isn't much of a top tier, but the second tier is huge (1-35) followed by an even bigger third tier (35-100).

In other words, while most years, you want a top ten (first tier) followed by a top 50 (third tier)... this year, the third tier lasts almost twice as long (100). Ergo, this is THE year to have multiple R2 and/or R3 picks.

i think unless jones, or vaccaro is there we are trading down for someone who wants austin or patterson.




but to the first point about top tier teams, imagine being a chiefs fan, or one of 5 jaguar fans?

last year the top of the draft was loaded, this year its better to be back later with lot of depth but no standouts
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i think unless jones, or vaccaro is there we are trading down for someone who wants austin or patterson.




but to the first point about top tier teams, imagine being a chiefs fan, or one of 5 jaguar fans?

last year the top of the draft was loaded, this year its better to be back later with lot of depth but no standouts
I know, huh.

Last year, people were sucking for Luck (& RGIII), and next year, there's Bridgewater & Clowney... but, this year, there's Eric Fisher & Luke Joeckel. And, Tyler Lewan & Jake Matthews would have been the top two LTs in this draft, if they hadn't gone back to school; so, that tells you about this top five.

If it was a sandwich, 2012's & 2014's top five picks would be rich artisan bread, that is firm to the touch, but melts in your mouth... and 2013's top five is merely bologna.

The 2013 draft is a meat & potatoes type of draft (linemen, safeties)... and, might actually make teams better than most drafts (that are chock full of skill players). BUT, when one loses 13 games, one expects to get rewarded with a franchise QB (or, at the minimum, a Pro-Bowl type of RB or CB). Alas...
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I know, huh.

Last year, people were sucking for Luck (& RGIII), and next year, there's Bridgewater & Clowney... but, this year, there's Eric Fisher & Luke Joeckel. And, Tyler Lewan & Jake Matthews would have been the top two LTs in this draft, if they hadn't gone back to school; so, that tells you about this top five.

If it was a sandwich, 2012's & 2014's top five picks would be rich artisan bread, that is firm to the touch, but melts in your mouth... and 2013's top five is merely bologna.

The 2013 draft is a meat & potatoes type of draft (linemen, safeties)... and, might actually make teams better than most drafts (that are chock full of skill players). BUT, when one loses 13 games, one expects to get rewarded with a franchise QB (or, at the minimum, a Pro-Bowl type of RB or CB). Alas...

yup i guess there is good reason the chiefs are trying to trade back so desperately


the meat and potatoes leads to super bowls and playoff appearances.. just dont get too many french fries or you'll be picking in the top 10 for years
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I know, huh.

Last year, people were sucking for Luck (& RGIII), and next year, there's Bridgewater & Clowney... but, this year, there's Eric Fisher & Luke Joeckel. And, Tyler Lewan & Jake Matthews would have been the top two LTs in this draft, if they hadn't gone back to school; so, that tells you about this top five.

If it was a sandwich, 2012's & 2014's top five picks would be rich artisan bread, that is firm to the touch, but melts in your mouth... and 2013's top five is merely bologna.

The 2013 draft is a meat & potatoes type of draft (linemen, safeties)... and, might actually make teams better than most drafts (that are chock full of skill players). BUT, when one loses 13 games, one expects to get rewarded with a franchise QB (or, at the minimum, a Pro-Bowl type of RB or CB). Alas...
That was an awesome job of explaining the difference in talent level from last year to this year. I don't know why, but I'm suddenly very hungry. I think I'm going to make myself a sandwich.
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