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Old 04-30-2013, 12:00 PM   #111
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The Wallace thread got closed, as I was typing this... and I'd like to add a little to the conversation.

Mods, feel free to close this... but, since I had written it... I figured I'd post it.

SIN...
First of all, it is not my place to state whether something is or is not a sin. Whether I think that "being gay" is a sin is not important to the discussion. For the Atheiests, it's not a sin; for the Cathloics, it is a sin. Who am I to tell anynone else what is or is not a sin???

With that out of the way, let's assume that one's religion does indeed believe that "being gay" is a sin. Again, let's assume that it is a "sin" (I am not at all saying that this is true, but saying this for argument's sake). Well, using a religion that I know a little about (Chrisitanity), I want to bring up a few major points from that religion.

"Judge not, lest ye be judged."
Assuming it's a sin... who are YOU to judge anyone else? That is for God & God alone ...right?

"Let ye without sin cast the first stone."
I guess that we'll be waiting a long time...

Most importantly, (assuming that "being gay" is a sin) please, someone tell me how "being gay" is any more or less of a sin that premarital sex? I am sure that there are plenty of people (specifically, professional athletes) who have had premarital sex... and yet, they are not being harangued as sinners.

How about "coveting thy neighbor's wife"? I am sure that every single one of us has looked at a picture of some woman (or man) other than our wife (or husband) in a lascivious manner. Is that not a sin? And, before you tell me that it is a "minor sin", it is one the effing Commandmentsl; so I'd say it's pretty effing major. Likewise, "taking then Lord's name in vain"... who is not guilty of that!?! Or, how about "Keeping the sabbath holy"... uh... football is played on the sabbath. so, aren't ALL football players sinners???

Yep, looks like we are all sinning... a lot. So, put down the stones.

SUMMATION:
Can we move past the whole "being gay is a sin" thing???

FREEDOM OF SPEECH...
People state their opinion on gayness, and then cry foul: "I have the freedom of speech."

Indeed, you do.

But, why comment at all?

A man is gay.
Joe Wright says, "I don't approve of being gay."
Why say anything, Joe?

A man is black.
Joe Wright says, "I don't approve of being black."
Why say anything, Joe?

A man is white.
Joe Wright says, "I don't approve of being white."
Why say anything, Joe?

In other words, people are commenting on this situation & saying, "Wallace was only stating his opinion... just like the gay said that he is gay." NO, it isdifferent. The gay person is saying that he is gay... because he is gay; it is not his opinion. Just like if a black dude says that he is black, or a white dude says that he is white; it's not an opinion.

More importantly, if Joe Wright were to state, "I hate n*ggers" he has the right to make that statement; he has the freedom of speech to say it; but, he sure as hell better be prepared to be called a racist. Likewise, when Joe Wright states that he "dispaproves of gays" he has the right to make that statement; he has the freedom of speech to say it; but, he sure as hell better be prepared to be called intolerant.

Again... being gay is not his opinion; it is who he is. It would be like someone saying that they are white or black or whatever... it is who they are.

As far as the whole "it's not fair that white people can get ridiculed"... come on man!!! As Chris Rock stated, "Here's how good it is to be white: there's not a white person in here that would switch places with me... and I'm RICH!!!"

Actually, even better is Louis CK's rant about how great it is to be white. It's funny... because, it's true. ("White people problems"... like being called names on an internet forum.)

SUMMATION:
Opinion ("I don't like gays") is different that stating who you are ("I am gay").

A person has the freedom of speech to air their opinions, but other people have the freedom to disagree with those opinions.

Sooo... why don't we all just keeps our comments to ourselves!?!
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The Wallace thread got closed, as I was typing this... and I'd like to add a little to the conversation.

Mods, feel free to close this... but, since I had written it... I figured I'd post it.

SIN...
First of all, it is not my place to state whether something is or is not a sin. Whether I think that "being gay" is a sin is not important to the discussion. For the Atheiests, it's not a sin; for the Cathloics, it is a sin. Who am I to tell anynone else what is or is not a sin???

With that out of the way, let's assume that one's religion does indeed believe that "being gay" is a sin. Again, let's assume that it is a "sin" (I am not at all saying that this is true, but saying this for argument's sake). Well, using a religion that I know a little about (Chrisitanity), I want to bring up a few major points from that religion.

"Judge not, lest ye be judged."
Assuming it's a sin... who are YOU to judge anyone else? That is for God & God alone ...right?

"Let ye without sin cast the first stone."
I guess that we'll be waiting a long time...

Most importantly, (assuming that "being gay" is a sin) please, someone tell me how "being gay" is any more or less of a sin that premarital sex? I am sure that there are plenty of people (specifically, professional athletes) who have had premarital sex... and yet, they are not being harangued as sinners.

How about "coveting thy neighbor's wife"? I am sure that every single one of us has looked at a picture of some woman (or man) other than our wife (or husband) in a lascivious manner. Is that not a sin? And, before you tell me that it is a "minor sin", it is one the effing Commandmentsl; so I'd say it's pretty effing major. Likewise, "taking then Lord's name in vain"... who is not guilty of that!?! Or, how about "Keeping the sabbath holy"... uh... football is played on the sabbath. so, aren't ALL football players sinners???

Yep, looks like we are all sinning... a lot. So, put down the stones.

SUMMATION:
Can we move past the whole "being gay is a sin" thing???

FREEDOM OF SPEECH...
People state their opinion on gayness, and then cry foul: "I have the freedom of speech."

Indeed, you do.

But, why comment at all?

A man is gay.
Joe Wright says, "I don't approve of being gay."
Why say anything, Joe?

A man is black.
Joe Wright says, "I don't approve of being black."
Why say anything, Joe?

A man is white.
Joe Wright says, "I don't approve of being white."
Why say anything, Joe?

In other words, people are commenting on this situation & saying, "Wallace was only stating his opinion... just like the gay said that he is gay." NO, it isdifferent. The gay person is saying that he is gay... because he is gay; it is not his opinion. Just like if a black dude says that he is black, or a white dude says that he is white; it's not an opinion.

More importantly, if Joe Wright were to state, "I hate n*ggers" he has the right to make that statement; he has the freedom of speech to say it; but, he sure as hell better be prepared to be called a racist. Likewise, when Joe Wright states that he "dispaproves of gays" he has the right to make that statement; he has the freedom of speech to say it; but, he sure as hell better be prepared to be called intolerant.

Again... being gay is not his opinion; it is who he is. It would be like someone saying that they are white or black or whatever... it is who they are.

As far as the whole "it's not fair that white people can get ridiculed"... come on man!!! As Chris Rock stated, "Here's how good it is to be white: there's not a white person in here that would switch places with me... and I'm RICH!!!"

Actually, even better is Louis CK's rant about how great it is to be white. It's funny... because, it's true. ("White people problems"... like being called names on an internet forum.)

SUMMATION:
Opinion ("I don't like gays") is different that stating who you are ("I am gay").

A person has the freedom of speech to air their opinions, but other people have the freedom to disagree with those opinions.

Sooo... why don't we all just keeps our comments to ourselves!?!
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The worst sin may just be quoting the entirety of a lengthy post to respond with one word.
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Good thing I don't believe in a metaphysical sin :D
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