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Old 06-06-2013, 07:02 AM   #1
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Default If You Have Verizon, The NSA Has Been Secretly Collecting Your Phone Records

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The National Security Agency appears to be collecting the telephone records of tens of millions of American customers of Verizon, one of the nationís largest phone companies, under a top-secret court order issued in April.

The order appears to require a Verizon subsidiary to provide the NSA with daily information on all telephone calls by its customers within the United States and from foreign locations into the United States....

An expert in this aspect of the law said Wednesday night that the order appears to be a routine renewal of a similar order first issued by the same court in 2006. The expert, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive issues, said that the order is reissued routinely every 90 days and that it is not related to any particular investigation by the FBI or any other agency.


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Hopefully I will be able to convince the NSA that those calls to 1-888 numbers were dialed by mistake
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I was at an IT Security conference a month ago. There was a Cook County Public Defender who was discussing privacy concerns and technology. All major carriers have a special division for providing records to law enforcement agencies, and they charge the government a lot of money doing so.
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I was at an IT Security conference a month ago. There was a Cook County Public Defender who was discussing privacy concerns and technology. All major carriers have a special division for providing records to law enforcement agencies, and they charge the government a lot of money doing so.
Yep - subpoenas for phone records are part of the prosecutors tool kit that are utilized all the time.

But the standard situation involves seeking phone records for specific individuals or businesses that are to be produced in response to a subpoena.

The FISA order served on Verizon requires Verizon to Hoover up records for all customers' numbers and provide those records to the NSA to go data mining regardless of whether the records fora specific customer have a damn thing to do with any investigation
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Default Re: If You Have Verizon, The NSA Has Been Secretly Collecting Your Phone Records

They need to have something to fill up that big new data mining building in Utah.

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In the heart of Utah’s desert, the National Security Agency is well underway on a project that has been called the nation’s largest, most expensive cyber-security project. Naturally, almost all details about the building’s soon-to-be inner activities are highly classified and no one is talking — officials in Bluffdale where it is being built and the nearby Salt Lake City are kept in the dark. Still, Wired’s Threat Level has gotten some details on the building and provides analysis on some of its expected activity.

Wired describes that the building is ironically and “blandly” named the Utah Data Center. When completed in Sept. 2013 it will house four 25,000 square foot halls of servers, among other things. Wired states that the cost for the project is estimated at $2 billion.

Here’s some of the data center’s purpose:

Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital “pocket litter.”

Wired reports that the data center will store trillions of “words and thoughts and whispers” swirling on the Web. It states that “[to] those on the inside, the old adage that NSA stands for Never Say Anything applies more than ever.” In addition to public website data storage, Wired reports that it will seek out and house information on the “deep web
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Default Re: If You Have Verizon, The NSA Has Been Secretly Collecting Your Phone Records

Big Brother is overreaching again. The same people that claim to fight for the "little people". The same ones that fought everything the former President tried to do, saying he went way too far, now want to take things to a different stratosphere. America will never be the same. So many people think things like this will be a good thing, and they have the best of intentions. The problem is that the people that have this power will always want more power and use it against whomever they see fit, until they are not just using it to find bad guys. They use it against the very people they swore to protect in the first place.
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Big Brother is overreaching again. The same people that claim to fight for the "little people". The same ones that fought everything the former President tried to do, saying he went way too far, now want to take things to a different stratosphere. America will never be the same. So many people think things like this will be a good thing, and they have the best of intentions. The problem is that the people that have this power will always want more power and use it against whomever they see fit, until they are not just using it to find bad guys. They use it against the very people they swore to protect in the first place.
IMO the current Administration is egregiously wrong for what it is doing, but this is just a continuation of what the prior Administration was doing

Washington Post reports lots of Internet sites are being monitored as well (hope there are some Steelers fans at NSA)

The National Security Agency and the FBI are tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading U.S. Internet companies, extracting audio and video chats, photographs, e-mails, documents, and connection logs that enable analysts to track one target or trace a whole network of associates, according to a top-secret document obtained by The Washington Post.

The program, code-named PRISM, has not been made public until now. It may be the first of its kind. The NSA prides itself on stealing secrets and breaking codes, and it is accustomed to corporate partnerships that help it divert data traffic or sidestep barriers. But there has never been a Google or Facebook before, and it is unlikely that there are richer troves of valuable intelligence than the ones in Silicon Valley.


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Both W and Obama have been enabled by a Congress that is willing to sign a blank check to fight the so called "war on terror" - and unfortunately that is something most people are willing to tolerate - good summary in italics below

1. Congress voted to legalize expansive surveillance powers in 2001 (The USA PATRIOT ACT), 2008 (retroactive immunity for warantless NSA wiretaps in the FISA Amendments Act), and in 2012 (renewing the FISA Amendments Act).

2. Congress declined to force administration transparency/honesty on secret interpretations of the law in 2001 (USA PATRIOT ACT), 2008 (NSA immunity), 2011 (the Wyden amendment to the NDAA, which would have required interpretations not be secret) & 2012 (the similar Markley amendment to the NDAA). Those last two actually got voted down, which means Congress voted to enable secret government legal interpretation.

3. All of the opprobrium you should feel at the government’s ridiculously broad surveillance powers needs to be directed at CONGRESS, which keeps approving them while voting they stay secret.

4. The NSA, despite the broad nature of its warrant request, did nothing illegal, and the supposed illegality of the FISC procedure has not been demonstrated.

5. The information the NSA is collecting is metadata, not content (like a wiretap), and not account names. Uncovering personally identifiable information would require separate warrants to do so. This was a pattern analysis, not really mass surveillance as we traditionally understand it. Anyone who calls this a “wiretap” is probably stupid or didn’t read the order.

6. Judging by the order (and not the media coverage about the order), it seems to have an end date of July 19, sucking up data for the three months before. That would make its effective start date April 19, which is the day Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was arrested in Boston. Not saying there’s a link, but the timing might turn out not to be coincidental.

7. No one will respond to this by voting out their representatives or Senators during the next election because, despite the temporary outcry, Americans (including the Congressmen and Senators who tried to add amendments) don’t care about this very much.

8. None of you will stop voluntarily giving Verizon (or AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, etc.) your personal information out of the fear that they might be legally compelled to hand it over to an intelligence agency through a legal process. Because, at the end of the day, you really don’t care about this very much either. At least, you don’t care enough to go out of your way to change it.


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This administration has had plenty of opportunity to shut it down but instead decided to adopt and expand on it. I don't think we can honestly sit here and point fingers at this point, sure you can blame it on bush for starting it but obama could have ended it if he wanted to, it's the government as a whole that's spying on it's citizens now.
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This administration has had plenty of opportunity to shut it down but instead decided to adopt and expand on it. I don't think we can honestly sit here and point fingers at this point, sure you can blame it on bush for starting it but obama could have ended it if he wanted to, it's the government as a whole that's spying on it's citizens now.
Agreed

I blame Bush the Second for starting it and Obama for continuing it - screw both of them and the folks in Congress who will sign off on any encroachment on civil liberties if it involves the "war on terror."
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The Executive branch has to be the cops. They get the blame for any attack so they want every tool. There should be checks and balances. Oh wait, there's supposed to be. It's the judiciary which needs to pull back on the reigns of the executive in their policing role, among others. This is why I think a back and forth between parties in congress and the Presidency can have value but the country always needs a liberal Supreme Court.
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The Executive branch has to be the cops. They get the blame for any attack so they want every tool. There should be checks and balances. Oh wait, there's supposed to be. It's the judiciary which needs to pull back on the reigns of the executive in their policing role, among others. This is why I think a back and forth between parties in congress and the Presidency can have value but the country always needs a liberal Supreme Court.
I do not know if liberal/conservative really is the standard of what sort of Supreme Court would reign this in.

Justice Scalia is about as conservative as they come but he wrote the vociferous dissent in the DNA case while Justice Breyer voted with the majority to uphold taking a DNA sample at the time of arrest
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