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Old 06-08-2013, 12:44 AM   #21
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The title of this thread is, "If You Have Verizon, The NSA Has Been Secretly Collecting Your Phone Records". When in actuality it is, "If You Use ANY Electronic Communication Devices More Likely Than Not You Probably Are Being Watched, Listened To, Or Tracked".
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The title of this thread is, "If You Have Verizon, The NSA Has Been Secretly Collecting Your Phone Records". When in actuality it is, "If You Use ANY Electronic Communication Devices More Likely Than Not You Probably Are Being Watched, Listened To, Or Tracked".
The Verizon story came out first when I started the thread - since then there have been further revelations regarding PRISM, which has been “tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading U.S. Internet companies, extracting audio, video, photographs, e-mails, documents and connection logs that enable analysts to track a person’s movements and contacts over time.”

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...sas-prism.html

Like any good enterprise should, PRISM has a logo



No word yet whether Pink Floyd plans to sue the government for infringing up the logo used for The Dark Side Of The Moon album cover



Bottom line is when it comes to domestic surveillance and the "war on terror" not a damn thing changed after Obama replaced W

Far from dismantling the surveillance state that George W. Bush built up, Obama has legitimized it and strengthened its defenses against outside criticisms. Another way to put it is that America has gone dotty, and it’s all part of the post-9/11 syndrome. As Ron Fournier, the editorial director of National Journal, pointed out on Thursday, we don’t live in the age of Obama. Rather, we are stuck in the “the era of Bush-Obama“—a period that “will be remembered for an unprecedented erosion of civil liberties and a disregard for transparency. On the war against a tactic—terrorism—and its insidious fallout, the United States could have skipped the 2008 election. It made little difference.”

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Bush & Obama on domestic surveillance - meet the new boss, same as the old boss

Bush: "After September the 11th, I vowed to the American people that our government would do everything within the law to protect them against another terrorist attack."

Obama: "When I came into this office, I made two commitments that are more important than any that I make: number one, to keep the American people safe and, number two, to uphold the Constitution."

Bush: "The privacy of ordinary Americans is fiercely protected in all our activities."

Obama: "That includes what I consider to be a constitutional right to privacy."

Bush: "The intelligence activities I authorized are lawful and have been briefed to appropriate members of Congress, both Republican and Democrat."

Obama: "When it comes to telephone calls, every member of Congress has been briefed on this program. With respect to all these programs the relevant intelligence committees are fully briefed."

Bush: "The government does not listen to domestic phone calls without court approval."

Obama: "Nobody is listening to your telephone calls ... If the intelligence community actually wants to listen to a phone call, they've got to go back to a federal judge."

Bush: "So far we've been very successful in preventing another attack on our soil."

Obama: "They make a difference in our capacity to anticipate and prevent possible terrorist activity."

Bush: "As a general matter, every time sensitive intelligence is leaked, it hurts our ability to defeat this enemy."

Obama: "I don't welcome leaks, because there's a reason why these programs are classified."


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The leaker of the surveillance information has outed himself

The individual responsible for one of the most significant leaks in US political history is Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA and current employee of the defence contractor Booz Allen Hamilton. Snowden has been working at the National Security Agency for the last four years as an employee of various outside contractors, including Booz Allen and Dell.

Not a good moment for future dealings between Booz Allen and the NSA

By his own admission, he was not a stellar student. In order to get the credits necessary to obtain a high school diploma, he attended a community college in Maryland, studying computing, but never completed the coursework. (He later obtained his GED.)

In 2003, he enlisted in the US army and began a training program to join the Special Forces. Invoking the same principles that he now cites to justify his leaks, he said: "I wanted to fight in the Iraq war because I felt like I had an obligation as a human being to help free people from oppression".

He recounted how his beliefs about the war's purpose were quickly dispelled. "Most of the people training us seemed pumped up about killing Arabs, not helping anyone," he said....


Because in the Special Forces you sort of need to learn how to kill people if you are going into combat

After that, he got his first job in an NSA facility, working as a security guard for one of the agency's covert facilities at the University of Maryland. From there, he went to the CIA, where he worked on IT security. His understanding of the internet and his talent for computer programming enabled him to rise fairly quickly for someone who lacked even a high school diploma.

By 2007, the CIA stationed him with diplomatic cover in Geneva, Switzerland. His responsibility for maintaining computer network security meant he had clearance to access a wide array of classified documents.
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He views his best hope as the possibility of asylum, with Iceland – with its reputation of a champion of internet freedom – at the top of his list. He knows that may prove a wish unfulfilled.

He has had "a very comfortable life" that included a salary of roughly $200,000, a girlfriend with whom he shared a home in Hawaii, a stable career, and a family he loves.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...e?guni=Network front:network-front full-width-1 bento-box:Bento box:Position1

Guy with a GED gets hired by the CIA and is granted a high enough security clearance to earn $200K while getting access to high value documents - heckuva job CIA and NSA.

Booz Allen, in a statement, said Mr. Snowden had been an employee for less than three months and was assigned to a team in Hawaii.

“News reports that this individual has claimed to have leaked classified information are shocking, and if accurate, this action represents a grave violation of the code of conduct and core values of our firm,” the company statement said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/10/us...a.html?hp&_r=0

Good to hear the Booz Allen code of conduct does not authorize leaking classified information - you can bet some supervisors are not looking forward to going into work tomorrow
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I wonder if there is a class action lawsuit here. I certainly don't remember reading in my contract that all of my info was subject to search and seizure at the governments leisure without probable cause.
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This is kind of long so I just posted the first part.

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What do They know about you? An interview with NSA analyst William Binney

William Binney worked as a National Security Agency analyst for nearly 30 years, eventually becoming the technical director of the of the world geopolitical and military analysis and reporting group. After retiring from the NSA in 2001, Binney became an increasingly vocal critic of the intelligence community, raising alarms about mission creep, wasteful projects and surveillance of law-abiding Americans. Although he still collects a pension from his old employer, the NSA has yanked his security clearance and his home was raided in 2007 as part of a leak investigation in which he was eventually cleared. Binney spoke with The Daily Caller about the latest NSA revelations from his home in Maryland.

Daily Caller: The first of the recent NSA scandals we’ve heard about was the seizure of Verizon’s phone records. How seriously should we take that?

William Binney: Look at the court order that went to Verizon [pdf]. In the upper right portion of page 1 there’s a number, 13-80. That means that’s the eightieth order from that court in 2013. Now if you assume all of the other 79 orders are going to other telecoms and providers, to do the same thing — and these things are issued every quarter — that’s the second issue to Verizon this year. So if you took that and said, OK, 80 orders and each of the companies got two, that means a minimum of at least 40 companies’ data assembled.There’s an article floating around the web now saying about 50 companies are cooperating with these orders. So that number is not unreasonable for orders for commercially held data.

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I wonder if there is a class action lawsuit here. I certainly don't remember reading in my contract that all of my info was subject to search and seizure at the governments leisure without probable cause.
If you actually read your entire contract with your cell phone provider or the terms of service for when you signed up for Facebook you are more conscientious than virtually all of us.

As discussed in the linked article below, the problem Google, Verizon and any other company faced in response to requests for data by the Government is that the requests were not clearly illegal and that companies cannot just tell the Government to screw itself.

When the government makes a legitimate request — and through Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which was highlighted by the leak, the government can seek vast troves of information — Google and others comply....

Senior executives I spoke with at many of the technology companies cited in the Prism documents said they routinely provided the government with requested data, in some cases months’ worth of e-mail traffic for a certain address. They have teams of people whose entire job is to work with the government to comply with such requests, which come in daily if not more frequently. Once that information is transferred to the government, an agency can store that data and sort it, integrate it with other data to their heart’s content....

Most technology companies have a “terms of service” agreement that requires users to accept such a provision before signing up. Buried in the fine print of Facebook’s is this: “We may access, preserve and share your information in response to a legal request (like a search warrant, court order or subpoena) if we have a good faith belief that the law requires us to do so.”

Theoretically, a clever lawyer could make the case that the companies’ public denials have now become part of the terms of service and that customers are relying on them to be true. If those denials turn out to conflict with actions in the future, the companies — again theoretically — could face trouble with their customers and even possibly another arm of the government, like the F.T.C., setting up a true conundrum.

So while the nation’s biggest technology companies may not be a part of systematic large-scale spying program, it is clear that they are legally required to play a significant role in funneling data to the government. That leaves them on a tightrope balancing what they can say to their customers and investors while complying with their obligations to keep the government’s secrets.


http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/06/.../?ref=business

But despite these legal hurdles the first lawsuit following the leaks has been filed

The first of what likely will be many lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of the NSA’s dragnet phone surveillance program was lodged Sunday, declaring the newly disclosed spy operation an “outrageous breach of privacy.”...

The suit names Verizon, NSA, Justice Department, President Barack Obama, Attorney General Eric Holder and others. The case comes as the American Civil Liberties Union and others are petitioning the FISA court to explain the legal rationale behind authorizing surveillance of this magnitude.


http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...phone-lawsuit/
http://www.scribd.com/doc/146930457/PRISM-Class



On the always popular grounds of "national security" there has been no public debate regarding the scope of what can be accessed under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. If that debate was conducted it would appear the public is fine with having its data readily accessible by the feds, perhaps because Big Data already is sliced and diced by so many private companies.

A large majority of Americans say the federal government should focus on investigating possible terrorist threats even if personal privacy is compromised, and most support the blanket tracking of telephone records in an effort to uncover terrorist activity, according to a new Washington Post-Pew Research Center poll....

Overall, 56 percent of Americans consider the NSA’s accessing of telephone call records of millions of Americans through secret court orders “acceptable,” while 41 percent call the practice “unacceptable.” In 2006, when news broke of the NSA’s monitoring of telephone and e-mail communications without court approval, there was a closer divide on the practice — 51 percent to 47 percent.
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With a Democratic president at the helm instead of a Republican, partisan views have turned around significantly.

Sixty-nine percent of Democrats say terrorism investigations, not privacy, should be the government’s main concern, an 18-percentage-point jump from early January 2006, when the NSA activity under the George W. Bush administration was first reported. Compared with that time, Republicans’ focus on privacy has increased 22 points.

The reversal on the NSA’s practices is even more dramatic. In early 2006, 37 percent of Democrats found the agency’s activities acceptable; now nearly twice that number — 64 percent — say the use of telephone records is okay. By contrast, Republicans slumped from 75 percent acceptable to 52 percent today.


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As we all know now it's more than just verizon.

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