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Old 07-08-2013, 10:21 AM   #11
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probably sabotaged by anti-oil pipeline terrorists who wanted to make headlines from a spill


what we know, timeline of disaster..

Friday, 11:25 p.m.: An engineer from the Montreal Maine & Atlantic Railway ties down a train carrying 72 tankers filled with crude oil and five locomotive units in Nantes, approximately 11 kilometres outsides of Lac Mégantic. According to the MMA he had stopped for a crew change and then retired to a nearby motel for the evening.

11:30 p.m.: A citizen in Nantes calls 911 after seeing a parked locomotive on fire between Nantes and Lac Mégantic. Firefighters arrive on the scene and are able to extinguish the blaze.

Saturday, 1:15 a.m.: The first explosion in Lac Megantic is reported, followed by at least two others. Initial reports suggest 30 buildings are destroyed. Much of downtown is flooded with crude oil and fire. Patrons of a crowded bar flee. Many remain unaccounted for.

1:15 a.m. to 4 a.m.: Explosions continue to rock the town as cars containing oil ignite.
Seems like it would be pro-pipeline people doing this to say trains aren't a safe alternative.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:37 AM   #12
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Unfortunately, pipelines aren't that safe:

Toxic Waste Spill in Northern Alberta Biggest of Recent Disasters in North America

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The substance is the inky black colour of oil, and the treetops are brown. Across a broad expanse of northern Alberta muskeg, the landscape is dead. It has been poisoned by a huge spill of 9.5 million litres of toxic waste from an oil and gas operation in northern Alberta, the third major leak in a region whose residents are now questioning whether enough is being done to maintain aging energy infrastructure.

The spill was first spotted on June 1. But not until Wednesday did Houston-based Apache Corp. release estimates of its size, which exceeds all of the major recent spills in North America. It comes amid heightened sensitivity about pipeline safety, as the industry faces broad public opposition to plans for a series of major new oil export pipelines to the U.S., British Columbia and eastern Canada.

In northern Alberta, not far from the town of Zama City, the leak of so-called “produced water” has affected some 42 hectares, the size of 52 CFL fields, in an area less than 100 kilometres south of the Northwest Territories border.

“Every plant and tree died” in the area touched by the spill, said James Ahnassay, chief of the Dene Tha First Nation, whose members run traplines in an area that has seen oil and gas development since the 1950s.

Apache spokesman Paul Wyke called the spill “salty water,” with “trace amounts” of oil. The Energy Resources Conservation Board, Alberta’s energy regulator, said it contained roughly 200 parts per million of oil, or about 2,000 litres in total. But information compiled by the Dene Tha suggests the toxic substance contains hydrocarbons, high levels of salt, sulphurous compounds, metals and naturally occurring radioactive materials, along with chemical solvents and additives used by the oil industry.

Produced-water leaks are considered easier to clean up than oil spills. But the Dene Tha suspect this is a long-standing spill that may have gone undetected for months, given the widespread damage it has done. Apache and the Alberta government say its duration is under investigation.

The leak follows a pair of other major spills in the region, including 800,000 litres of an oil-water mixture from Pace Oil and Gas Ltd., and nearly 3.5 million litres of oil from a pipeline run by Plains Midstream Canada.

After those accidents, the Dene Tha had asked the Energy Resources Conservation Board, Alberta’s energy regulator, to require installation of pressure and volume monitors, as well as emergency shutoff devices, on aging oil and gas infrastructure. The Apache spill has renewed calls for change.

“We don’t believe that the government is doing enough to ensure upgrades and maintenance of the lines,” Mr. Ahnassay said.

The Apache spill took place in an area rich with wetlands. Though the Dene Tha suspect waterfowl have died, the company said it has seen no wildlife impacts. The spill has not reached the Zama River, although the Alberta government said it has affected tributaries. Water monitoring is ongoing.

Neither Apache nor Alberta initially disclosed the spill, which was only made public after someone reported it to a TV station late last week. The National Energy Board, by comparison, sent out a news release Tuesday after a spill of five to seven barrels of oil at an Imperial Oil Ltd. refinery in Sarnia, Ont.

Bob Curran, a spokesman for the ERCB, defended the late release of information, saying it took 10 days to determine the size of the spill.

“The second we knew the volumes, we put out a news release,” he said. Asked how it could take so long to determine the severity of a large spill, he said Wednesday: “We didn’t know it was over 42 hectares. We found that out last night.”

Environmental groups have long criticized the government for being slow to notify the public when things go wrong with the oil industry, the province’s financial lifeblood. “This latest spill should call into question the provincial government’s decision to hide the pipeline safety report they received last year and the failure to follow through on the public pipeline safety review the Minister of Energy promised last July,” said Greenpeace campaigner Mike Hudema in a statement.

A spokesman for Energy Minister Ken Hughes said the province trusts its energy regulator to decide when to release information based “on a process of established science and protocol.”

Apache said in a statement that it has halted the leak and “taken steps to contain the release as the company continues to map, sample and monitor the impacted areas.”
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probably sabotaged by anti-oil pipeline terrorists who wanted to make headlines from a spill
Or maybe the company transporting the oil f***ed up

Ed Burkhardt, chairman of the Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway, said Sunday night that the train’s sole engineer shut down four of the five locomotive units on the train, as is standard procedure, in the neighbouring community of Nantes before heading to Lac Mégantic to sleep. Burkhardt said the next engineer was probably due to arrive at daybreak.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...explosion.html


The statement from Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway did not make clear how the brakes had been disengaged, or who could be responsible.

"One fact that has emerged is the locomotive of the (parked) oil train ... was shut down subsequent to the departure of the engineer who had handled the train from Farnham, which may have resulted in the release of air brakes on the locomotive that was holding the train in place," the company statement said.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9660J920130707

Just a thought here - maybe you should not leave a train unattended
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they shut down trains every night - but they don't magically get up and go again - without some outside help

so who or what caused that locomotive fire an hour before the train crash? Hmmmmmmmm


I still suspect a hard left wing radical environmental terrorist group
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I blame gay marriage

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Quebec Disaster Spurs Rail-Versus-Pipelines Debate on Oil

A train disaster in Quebec promises to touch off a debate over the safety record of using railroads or pipelines such as TransCanada Corp. (TRP)’s Keystone XL to carry crude oil.

As authorities began investigating the explosion of refinery-bound tank cars hauled by Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway Ltd., Quebec’s Green Party demanded stricter regulations and an energy industry association predicted tough scrutiny ahead for rail carriers

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"On Thursday June 27th, 350 Maine and Earth First members blocked a train carrying 70,000 barrels of "fracked" crude oil. Dozens of people joined the action, and six people were arrested. The action was under the umbrella of Fearless Summer, a series of direct actions around the nation aimed at highlighting extreme energy extraction. "

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Sometime after (the first conductor left), the train got loose," said McGonigle, who is vice-president of marketing for The Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway. "It travelled under its own inertia to the centre of the town."

The locomotive portion of the 73-car train actually detached half a mile outside of the small town, he added, but the cars carrying the oil kept on rolling. McGonigle said there are security mechanisms in place to prevent anyone from tampering with the train, and the proper checks were done by the conductor before he left the vehicle. No one except him or another employee of the company should have been able to set it in motion.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/...646/story.html
fuck that ...the american people absorb all the risk , and reap none of the reward.
one of the US politicians asked if they would guarantee that all the oil flowing through the pipeline would only be used for the US....they said no.
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